I might well be unreasonable but here goes.....

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It seems that a lot of the working age population now are snowflakes or incompetent or just don't care enough to do a good job. It's rare to manage people who actually work reliably the hours they are paid to.
I just wonder what would happen to the economy in general if
A) employees turned up and worked hard for the hours they were paid
B) employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell
C) employees did not regard the usual ups and downs of life as 'mental health' but reserved that for people with actual mental illness like clinical depression, schizophrenia etc
D) employees just genuinely cared about doing a good job and tried hard

Also would the NHS thrive if we weren't all so dependent on referrals for minor issues and just took a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well.

If people stopped blaming social workers for child abuse and looked at the parents.

Sorry a bit of a rant but I'm disillusioned

Are you living in 2022 or not? People aren't chasing jobs.

Eh? How is that a response to what I said?

You lost me at "snowflakes" 🙄

Pick up a newspaper.

Wow, this really has to be explained to people. You can't sack staff when you can't recruit anyone easily

YANBU - I agree with you - and hear it constantly from senior staff who have seen years of new recruits.

"Wow, this really has to be explained to people." And that would be a manager's problem, wouldn't it? 🙄You're not so smart

So you want:

employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell

but also:

Also would the NHS thrive if we weren't all so dependent on referrals for minor issues and just took a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well.

If people were able to stop and look after themselves when they’re ill, they wouldn’t burn out from something minor. We have a society that encourages just ploughing on through even though you’re ill or in pain. We can’t take ownership and responsibility when we have bills to pay.

The word Snowflake automatically deflects from any point you might have made. You might not have been a “Snowflake” ever, but you might well become one with age and deteriorating health. And then people can judge you and calling you one, when you’re trying your best to stay afloat.
I just don’t understand threads like these- twisting that knife into people who are already struggling. Making superior people feel more superior? It’s certainly not “fun” or kind. Who am I to judge others? I don’t know their struggles so I shouldn’t.
Pissed off with generalisations full stop, it’s like the countless times I’ve been told the “kids” have broken stuff/stolen/committed hate crimes - and then it turns out the “kid” is in his late 30’s. As a mother of a teenager I’m fed up hearing “snowflake generation” and about bad teenagers. They’re not all bad. They don’t all take the piss. We don’t all raise “snowflakes”. Don’t even start me on the stupid saying about “Karen”. Stupid people say stupid generic shit. Pat your own back behind closed doors if you are so excellent. 👍

What would you do as a manager if you can't recruit anyone? Give us your genius insights on a management solution to a shortage of employees that want to work minimum wage. Perhaps you can sell your product for more? Take them out for beers on your dime? Give them a good dressing down and cross your fingers they don't go to your competitor. What?

Haven't you noticed that almost everything takes twice as long these days? Why do you think that is?

The mental health overload at work does drive me crazy. I agree that everyone has mental health like they have physical health but the way work places are supposed to deal with it is unsustainable. I aim to be a supportive and sympathetic person but I am not a MH professional. I find myself having to do my job and be a quasi councillor to people as we all have to listen to each other. I wish we had decent MH support for people within the NHS so people could actually get effective support. The approach of “bringing your whole self to work “ and “mental health “ champions is not the answer!! I don’t have the energy to work and care more than normal about my colleagues!

I'm really not a troll.
I'm just saying that things are grinding to a halt

So what do you intend to do to improve your recruitment and retention?

Lots of employees like to have a job for more than two years, they get some protection. What actions are you taking?

Based on your various posts i would politely suggest you are not management material and should fire yourself. The company might end up with a decent manager who could manage the workforce properly. HTH

When you pay peanuts you get monkeys… Minimum wage that’s not actually enough to heat your home and eat (basically to cover ones basic physical needs)= you get minimum effort and low staff morale.

But when you say “a lot of the working age” are you just c thinking of new recruits or are you actually including everyone up to pensioner age? I’m a Gen-X er and I haven’t had a days sick for at least 4 years. My husband has only had a week for Covid. Not because of draconian sickness policies - we actually have up to 6 months sickness on full pay ( contrary to the comment of a previous poster) because we just get on with things. We haven’t had a pay rise above inflation for years and years but that’s a government decision. There have always been shysters and shirkers - always. I think there is a sense of entitlement with a % of younger people coming through which seems connected to unrealistic depictions of my line of work in the media. I doubt these individuals will last very long because the jobs too hard but maybe that’s what’s needed for us to see real change in pay & benefits.

You pay an appropriate wage for the market for starters, obviously. You create rotas, reliance systems, checklists, appraisals, targets and rewards... There are appropriate avenues for promotions, pay raise, commission... Good managers seem to cope but bad managers just like to whine about their job not being done for them (ironically). I haven't worked minimum wage since I was a student and I've both been managed and managed people on minimum wage - I know the game. Most managers are too lazy to manage people.

I work for one of the utilities the top and bottom of it they can’t cope with being outside wet and cold all day think of the last 2 weeks
it made crystal clear what the job involves we do tasters days ,work experience

any ideas I would gladly pass on

Clearly you couldn't come up with anything then.

But as someone who retired mid 40s having sold their business I poilitely suggest you naff off

I'd start by buying them decent coats.
The rest is available for a consultation fee.

I'm not a recruitment consultant. Hire one.

An appropriate wage for the market.

Which your company can't afford in an inflated tight labour market

Next suggestion genius

Full gortex thermal cold weather gear supplied thanks

I didn't offer any suggestions because nobody is paying me a consultancy fee 😂

I am so pleased you are no longer a manager/employer as your attitude stinks as much as your ineptitude.