I might well be unreasonable but here goes.....

[cocktailclub]

It seems that a lot of the working age population now are snowflakes or incompetent or just don't care enough to do a good job. It's rare to manage people who actually work reliably the hours they are paid to.
I just wonder what would happen to the economy in general if
A) employees turned up and worked hard for the hours they were paid
B) employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell
C) employees did not regard the usual ups and downs of life as 'mental health' but reserved that for people with actual mental illness like clinical depression, schizophrenia etc
D) employees just genuinely cared about doing a good job and tried hard

Also would the NHS thrive if we weren't all so dependent on referrals for minor issues and just took a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well.

If people stopped blaming social workers for child abuse and looked at the parents.

Sorry a bit of a rant but I'm disillusioned

I wonder what would happen to the economy if:

1. All employers paid people fairly for all their hard work

2)People took sick leave when they were unwell rather than being too frightened to lose their jobs or unable to manage without their pay, and so stopped spreading illnesses around workplaces.

3. People received support so the ups and downs of life didn't effect their mental health and that they weren't made to feel guilty because they weren't as mentally ill as other people.

4. Employers genuinely cared about their employees and understood the importance of this to them doing a good job.

Also would the NHS thrive if we were all able to get referrals at a time when our problems were minor rather than sitting on waiting lists until they become life threatening and expensive to treat?

There attracted by the salary make all the right noises
but when it comes to being outside all day in the cold and the rain there not prepared to do it

@cocktailclub
It seems that a lot of the working age population now are snowflakes or incompetent or just don't care enough to do a good job. It's rare to manage people who actually work reliably the hours they are paid to.

Yes

In the public sector they take sick days
6 months of them
On full pay

Agree !

Your A-D is what most people do do, I’d have thought.

In the public sector they take sick days
6 months of them
On full pay

Gosh I wish I’d known that was what we all did! Or perhaps it’s just the odd person. Who is actually sick.

I repeat "Then you need to adopt a better recruitment process. How are you so consistently selecting such poor candidates?". If you're that easily persuaded by bullshit then get a better system. Clearly whoever's in charge of hiring needs to do their job properly (and stop complaining about the repercussions of doing it badly).

Just two examples this week

1. I couldn't find out what the christmas opening times were for a local gym because the young person's attitude was why are you bothering me with this
2. People are having to walk down to the checkout to get a basket at my local supermarket because the young people are too busy having a natter to bother to bring them back to the front of the store

If you're paid a low wage in a job accepted then you still need to do the job you are paid to do or leave and do another job.
It's not up to individuals to say oh I'm not paid well so I will do a poor job! Don't take the job in the first place, take a higher paid job.
This is exactly the attitude I'm talking about

I think you mean, OP, that in the public sector we are entitled to take 6 months sick leave on full pay. Doesn't mean we all do it 🙄

A combination of weak management, unions and employment laws.

I previously worked a shift job in IT. Due to the shift pattern, I had a full week off every five weeks. When I returned, I would regularly find that my shift 'buddy' hadn't done a single thing in a week - and I mean absolutely nothing, nadda.

I once took a five week summer holiday and returned to a work queue of sixty fault tickets (there were usually 7 or 8). Done hadn't been updated in weeks. On my first nightshift, I closed down 40 tickets just by conducting basic system checks.

We were all hired together and were all on exactly the same money. Why was that, when any statistical analysis would show that I was carrying a team of five?

I left and now earn twice what I did in that job.

There are far too many people that are content to do nothing and be carried and there are too many managers and workplaces that allow them to do it.

No, it isn’t. It’s weak management. Why was nobody making sure those tickets were completed?

Managers need to figure out that doing well at interview and doing well at the job are two different things.

I once took a job only to discover I was person number 13 to have that job in a year. At my three month review I mentioned that there were a few issues with being able to do the job and staff retention. Well that got me blacklisted. I did two years, they have yet to get someone else who has lasted 6 months. This is all the fault of the dreadful employees.

One of my lovely colleagues sent me the EOY stats, I was the second most productive employee, management hated me.

Both of these are demonstrative of poor management of minimum wage employees...

this

Weak managers.....employees who are incompetent and don't do what they are paid to do. Back to my point.

It's depressing

Both of these are examples of students doing part time jobs who couldn't give a toss.

But if they’re not doing what they’re paid to do, it’s the responsibility of the person who’s paid more to get them to do it.

This poster summed it up, I think?

Not in the current climate no. People can take the mick and get away with it.

I think you'll find that if all the individuals in poor paid jobs decided not to work very hard at them there wouldn't be a great deal you could do about it other than pay them higher wages. Given that so many jobs remain badly paid it suggests this isn't what's happening in reality. Though I think its becoming more of an employees market at that level, and the employers don't hold the cards like they once did, so I'll watch that with interest.

It's someone's job to incentivise them to give a toss or replace them with people who do. Why isn't that person doing their job properly? Managers who expect their reports to manage themselves whilst taking the salary as a "manager" are no better - but they have the audacity to complain.

I find an employers interpretation of a decent wage is usually way below normal peoples interpretation.

Since you are anonymous can you state the wages of various jobs, ie receptionist, secretary and whatever your company does, ie carer, retail, warehouse picker, forklift driver, welder etc. It might be interesting to see.

How so? What’s different about this current climate?