DH just said he agrees with the parents in NZ

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Sorry wasn't sure what to put as the title.

My DH has just said he wouldn't want his child treated with "vaccinated blood" either and wholeheartedly agrees with the NZ parents.

We don't have any kids but we are (were 😞) TTC.

He didn't have the vaccine which is his choice and I've tried not to discuss it with him too much because he can get very worked up about it.

He thinks vaccinated blood will give people cancer within 2-5 years. The "elites" know all about it and it would be child abuse to give a child vaccinated blood. He says deaths are up 10 fold since the vaccine.

I'm now seriously reconsidering TTC.

Wwyd in this situation? We've been together for 15 years. He never used to be an anti vaxxer. These extreme views started after the pandemic.

This is a big red flag OP… would he be against normal childhood vaccinations too? It’s very worrying, I hate hearing that people haven’t vaccinated their children because of the batshit beliefs they have

I didn't get vaccinated (for covid) because he made it very difficult for me. He put lots of ideas into my head (I was actually pregnant at the time I was due my first vaccine.)

Unfortunately I lost the baby, however, I did have the flu vaccination when I was pregnant and he suggested that that could have been be the cause of my miscarriage. He only said it once or twice and dropped it when he saw how upset it made me.

I definitely think he’s been brainwashed which is why I’m not saying LTB right away.

I know of a few other people who have been brain washed like this since the pandemic.
One was really intelligent so I’m so surprised but I just think the fear of covid and being out of their control took too much toll on them, so they’ve almost had a mental breakdown and are trying to grasp onto things they think they can control.

How old are you?
I would definitely stop TTC.

I would not want to be with anyone who’s willing to put my child’s health at risk.
What’s going to be next?
He could easily stop believing in antibiotics or other medicines.

I would tell him exactly why you’ve stopped TTC and tell him that you need to have a think about whether you want to stay with him or not.

Some sort of therapy and reverse brainwashing would help but I’d have no idea where to start.

Christ he's dumber than a bunch of rocks.

What’s reverse brainwashing??🤔

I’m a scientist. I worked on the vaccine.

Pardon me, but he is a fucking idiot who doesn’t have the first clue what he’s talking about.

Thank you. I'm mid thirties.

I wish he would go to therapy but he 100% genuinely believes that he is right.

Do not have a child with a man who won't let you take the most basic precautions to keep them alive.
Anyone who thinks that the NZ parents are making a sensible decision isn't thinking rationally.

I know. 😞

He'll argue to the death about it though. He constantly sends me links and "leaked documents" from before 2019 detailing the vaccine and covid. I have no idea where this stuff comes from but he believes it to be true.

I've C&P'd my post on the other thread.

Your husband clearly has no idea what it's like to have a desperately ill baby.

My daughter was born with this exact medical condition and I find this so upsetting.

Surgery at one day old saved her life. I would have given every drop of blood in my body to save her and while she has thrived and is now a teenager the trauma has scarred both me and DH.

So many people in the world lose children to avoidable conditions because they don't have access to the sort of medical care we have in both the UK and, in this case, New Zealand. These parents need their heads knocking together.

Absolutely this.

He thinks there's a conspiracy to give people cancer. What would anyone gain from such a scenario?

In general, when anyone talks about the mainstream media, I know the next sentence they utter is quite likely to be nonsense. Sorry OP but it doesn't look good. Look after yourself.

The problem you have OP is that you CAN'T argue with someone who believes so strongly in this stuff. Anything you say will be dismissed as "propaganda" "fake news" "that's what THEY want you to think" and other such lines. It's such a slippery slope too, often the anti-vax stuff is the tip of the iceberg. Then it's a small step to the next thing, then the next and then finally you have a person who completely believes a lot of very alarming things.

Get out.

He sounds like he's balls deep in the conspiracy world and it's going to get worse, not better.

I had a relative do the same thing over covid and she became unrecognisable and at one point even got sectioned.

Too much bad you tube videos watched. I’d sit him down and have a serious chat; if that didn’t resolve things then I think I’d have to give up on that one before kids as it’ll be a million times worse after.

Be very grateful you didn't get pregnant to this loon and run.

There is no conclusive evidence that stupidity is heritable, but why take the risk?

*too many

My husband is the same, probably listens to the same podcasts and follows the same people. Seems to be a male thing, there's a parent from the school that's been affected too. Has progressed to stockpiling food, buying gold and purchasing a generator. I think the constant wfh and lack of social interaction has sent them bonkers and looking for a group to belong to. Problem is confirmation bias, they only listen to (convincing) people who believe the same thing so it becomes more believable. It's really annoying although from what I gather, there are some intelligent and well educated people behind this. The actual problem is, they won't be talked down presumably until their theories are disproved (or proved...). I suspect it will get worse unfortunately. I'm hoping that with vaccination becoming less relevant if Covid becomes less serious, they will just forget about it. However, I suspect they will move on to something else.

He stopped you having a vaccine that would have protected you from having covid. If you caught covid that may be why you lost the baby www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2022/jun/catching-covid-19-early-pregnancy-could-increase-risk-miscarriage

I can see it's tough to start again but you cant get through to people like this, leave and hope you meet someone sane.

A couple of friends have gone full-on conspiracy theory recently - it started with covid vaccine for one, and for cancer medication with the other. Probably started 2 years ago, maybe less.
Now it's almost everything - big pharma hiding cures, covid doesn't exist, chemotherapy is just to kill you, all vaccines bad etc. I mean, I do understand some distrust in the government - the lies and corruption over the last few years have been staggering - but to believe that all doctors, nurses, researchers etc could all be coerced into killing 70% of the population, and no-one would speak out? Nuts.
It does sound like he's beyond rationality now, and I really can't see him suddenly coming to his senses.
There are plenty of people out there who can and will help you leave. It really, really is very hard to do, especially when your previously lovely world has suddenly been turned upside down, but it really sounds like conceiving a child with this man, and planning a future with him isn't the right way forward.

Unfortunately it is cult like.you can’t argue with someone who has moved so far against logic and common sense. Whatever you say he’ll dismiss.

By him making it hard for you to have the vaccine during pregnancy he has already put you at risk. Covid during pregnancy is not good for mothers or for their unborn child. Neither is flu.

My dd had been given both vaccines when she got pregnant and we are so thankful because she caught covid at 8 months and had her baby early.
Please have your covid vaccine before ttc.
It's a fact that pregnant women are more at risk without it.

My SIL married a nutjob like this. They now have 14 kids hiding in Tasmania so they don't have to educate them. Her older kids (pre-covid) weren't vaccinated because of the risk of autism . This is my long winded way of saying run. BIL was privately educated and from a respectable family, these men don't improve with age!

Yeah, he's gone down the rabbit hole. The problem is that there is a grain of reality in what he's saying, inasmuch as the excess death rate globally is currently running at around 10%, which is very concerning, and there is a marked lack of public discussion about it. The fact is, we don't know yet what is causing those excess deaths, which are not directly attributable to covid, nor to lockdowns. There are real questions that need answers, but the sad fact is your partner's level of paranoia and hysteria is not helping.