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To not want to host my brother for Christmas for ever?

291 replies

PoolHill · 27/10/2022 19:33

For the last three years my brother (let’s call him Charles) has come and had Christmas Day with my partner and I at our house. Charles has fallen out with my parents and is no longer speaking to dad so can’t go “home”. We have another sister who also lives locally and has a husband and kids, but Charles would probably be pretty annoyed if I suggested he join other sister for Christmas, as he isn’t as close to her - largely Charles’ fault as he avoids going to visit them, and claims busyness when invited.

He’s similarly quite stubborn about the rift with dad. Initially it was both their faults, dad is now the one sustaining it but equally Charles isn’t making efforts to mend it. Won’t go up and visit parents as is worried it will be awkward etc. Wanting dad to make the first move (which dad should do but just won’t as he’s even more stubborn).

We have a toddler and I just really want to be able to have Christmas Day just us. To spend the morning in pyjamas, cook dinner the way we want it without having to accommodate Charles’ fussiness, cuddle up on the sofa once the toddler is in bed. Partner also wants a ‘just us’ Christmas but understands the situation with Charles.

But I know if I hint that we want to spend Christmas this way Charles will be v upset, and probably spend the day alone out of pride rather than go to our brother, or try to force a reconciliation with dad or find a friend to be with. I love Charles dearly and we are close, and don’t want him to be alone on Christmas. But equally, I feel like this is becoming a pattern now and that we’re going to end up hosting him for the next ten years.

What should I do?

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DismantledKing · 27/10/2022 19:35

Seriously? Fuck Charles. He’s a selfish sod.

Gizlotsmum · 27/10/2022 19:37

Maybe host this year but tell him you won’t be doing it next year as you want a Christmas just your husband and toddler? That gives him sufficient time to make alternative plans and if he doesn’t that is his choice

Fairyliz · 27/10/2022 19:39

He’s your brother not your child, you are not responsible for him. This is a situation which is partly his fault, it’s not up to you to solve it.
Just tell him you are having a small family Christmas this year. If he stays at home sulking so be it, it’s only one day it won’t hurt him spending it alone.

Brigante9 · 27/10/2022 19:39

Ask him what he’s doing for Christmas whilst telling him that you’re having a just me, dp and toddler’ day this year. Pretty straightforward, hopefully. Could you prep your sister and see if she’d invite him? All sorts of random relatives turn up for Christmas, it wouldn’t be weird.

EndlessMagpies · 27/10/2022 19:41

Put your foot down now. My late DM ended up having my bachelor uncle to stay every Christmas for..........wait for it......... 49 years.

Brefugee · 27/10/2022 19:42

he has plenty of time to arrange an alternative. Tell him it is you, your DH and DD this year.

Babasghost · 27/10/2022 19:44

Brigante9 · 27/10/2022 19:39

Ask him what he’s doing for Christmas whilst telling him that you’re having a just me, dp and toddler’ day this year. Pretty straightforward, hopefully. Could you prep your sister and see if she’d invite him? All sorts of random relatives turn up for Christmas, it wouldn’t be weird.

This.

You are not his parent.
He is using you.

DisforDarkChocolate · 27/10/2022 19:44

Seriously? Decide if you want to upset your brother or your husband and act accordingly.

My suggestion would be to head him off by offering to have him on Boxing Day (or even the next day).

FarmerRefuted · 27/10/2022 19:45

"Judt to give you the heads up so you know in advance, we're having a quiet Christmas this year with just me, DP, and toddler. You're welcome to come spend <alternative day> with us though"

HenryHenrietta · 27/10/2022 19:47

It's fine to tell him. The sooner the better as well, so he has time to find an alternative.

We were getting into a similar pattern with one of my sisters who also fell out with everyone else in the family. So we ended up hosting every year. It was actually covid which stopped it. We're going to host again this year but then will ask her to go somewhere else the following year. Thankfully she's now talking to the others so she doesn't have to come here each year!

dontputitthere · 27/10/2022 19:51

Tell him now so he can make plans

You don't went to upset him? Why? He doesn't care he's upset everyone else in the family. That's his choice.

Have a lovely Christmas with your little family. They're precious.

He's an adult. Let him be one. You don't have to parent him because he's isolated himself from everyone else

BoopK · 27/10/2022 20:09

If you're wanting to approach gently (I wouldn't but you sound nicer than me 😄) send a text along the lines of
"Have you got any plans for boxing day (or insert whichever date) this year? Hoping you can join us for some food and drinks and we can swap presents. We're just having a quiet Christmas Day this year with the three of us "

PoolHill · 27/10/2022 20:09

dontputitthere · 27/10/2022 19:51

Tell him now so he can make plans

You don't went to upset him? Why? He doesn't care he's upset everyone else in the family. That's his choice.

Have a lovely Christmas with your little family. They're precious.

He's an adult. Let him be one. You don't have to parent him because he's isolated himself from everyone else

Well I don’t want to upset him because I love him and don’t want him to spend the day alone feeling sad and then resent me afterwards - which I know he will. He shouldn’t but he will, people are complicated.

The situation with our parents is also much more dad’s fault than Charles’s - Charles isn’t blameless but I do feel like as a result of it I’m his only option, and that my decision is therefore going to determine whether he has an okay Christmas or not.

My mum and I are more conflict avoidant and forgiving types, dad and Charles are stubborn grudge holders. I’d rather be like I am, but it does mean you end up bending around the stubborn ones in your family.

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Pipsickl · 27/10/2022 20:10

I’ve had the same issue with a family member

it’s not easy but I told them politely that I wanted to enjoy Christmas with my immediate family, because my children were little.

I think those Christmases as so important - they’re the ones you will treasure when you are old and reminiscing - I didn’t want to struggle through something that was supposed to be a highlight for me and wouldn’t be repeatable, as kids grow so quick.

i did make plans with my family member over the Christmas period but not on Christmas Day. It’s worked out okay, despite being a little embarrassing / uncomfortable at the time

Mirabai · 27/10/2022 20:10

You put your big girl pants on and set your boundaries. Tactfully tell him that now your kid is a toddler it’s time to establish Christmas traditions within the family unit, but you’re happy to see him 27th (if you are). All the while quietly thinking that if he was as bit nicer to the rest of the family he wouldn’t be stuck for somewhere to spend Christmas.

As a grown man he’s free to host his own Christmas with friends, find a gf/bf etc.

wishing3 · 27/10/2022 20:13

Controversial, but unless Charles is a dick when he comes round I’d probably keep hosting him. Does he help out etc? Is he awkward?

PoolHill · 27/10/2022 20:13

HenryHenrietta · 27/10/2022 19:47

It's fine to tell him. The sooner the better as well, so he has time to find an alternative.

We were getting into a similar pattern with one of my sisters who also fell out with everyone else in the family. So we ended up hosting every year. It was actually covid which stopped it. We're going to host again this year but then will ask her to go somewhere else the following year. Thankfully she's now talking to the others so she doesn't have to come here each year!

My sympathies @HenryHenrietta. Family fall outs are awful.

I feel like I need something to break the pattern of Charles coming here. Some unarguable reason why we can’t host - broken limb? surprise win of a holiday at Christmas time? House flood? Sigh

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Mirabai · 27/10/2022 20:13

PoolHill · 27/10/2022 20:09

Well I don’t want to upset him because I love him and don’t want him to spend the day alone feeling sad and then resent me afterwards - which I know he will. He shouldn’t but he will, people are complicated.

The situation with our parents is also much more dad’s fault than Charles’s - Charles isn’t blameless but I do feel like as a result of it I’m his only option, and that my decision is therefore going to determine whether he has an okay Christmas or not.

My mum and I are more conflict avoidant and forgiving types, dad and Charles are stubborn grudge holders. I’d rather be like I am, but it does mean you end up bending around the stubborn ones in your family.

Does your brother not actually have any friends?

The choice is not conflict avoidance or grudge holding. There’s a middle way in which you confidently assert the boundaries around what you want to do and how want to live your life.

AlisonDonut · 27/10/2022 20:13

Why not just don't invite him and if the conversation comes up, just say you are having a quiet one this year, just the 3 of you.

SaintVitasShagulaitas · 27/10/2022 20:15

He'll just have to be upset. Nobody ever died from that.

HoHoHowMuch · 27/10/2022 20:19

Ask him what his plans for hosting you are, then be very understanding that he can't. Of course you will just spend a quiet one at home rather than put him through that.

EscapeRoomToTheSun · 27/10/2022 20:20

PoolHill · 27/10/2022 20:13

My sympathies @HenryHenrietta. Family fall outs are awful.

I feel like I need something to break the pattern of Charles coming here. Some unarguable reason why we can’t host - broken limb? surprise win of a holiday at Christmas time? House flood? Sigh

Lie and say you're going elsewhere.

dontputitthere · 27/10/2022 20:20

But my point is he DOES have options. He just chooses not to sustain those relationships.

You have a sister. And parents.

It's not your responsibility to sort this out for him. You've been kind and hosted him. But now you want your own time with your children. It's all perfectly understandable.

I like the option pp suggested. Invite him for Boxing Day. So he's not left out. Gives you the special time with Dc.

But as an adult he does have to bear some responsibility for his own life. Even if your dad is awkward/stubborn too. He has to learn how to deal with these things. If you sort everything for him he simply won't learn and won't grow up.

ObviouslyHeGetsFed · 27/10/2022 20:21

I would go to your dad and explain the situation. Ask him, for you, to swallow his pride and make the first move. (I only say this as you mention it should probably be him and not your brother). Then you can all do a few days out / walks before Christmas to get everyone comfortable before you hand your brother over.

Onceuponawhileago · 27/10/2022 20:24

PoolHill · 27/10/2022 20:09

Well I don’t want to upset him because I love him and don’t want him to spend the day alone feeling sad and then resent me afterwards - which I know he will. He shouldn’t but he will, people are complicated.

The situation with our parents is also much more dad’s fault than Charles’s - Charles isn’t blameless but I do feel like as a result of it I’m his only option, and that my decision is therefore going to determine whether he has an okay Christmas or not.

My mum and I are more conflict avoidant and forgiving types, dad and Charles are stubborn grudge holders. I’d rather be like I am, but it does mean you end up bending around the stubborn ones in your family.

You are a people pleaser. Your brother a manipulator. Stop pleasing and the manipulation will stop.

Tell him now you are done with the drama and he needs to makes his own adult plans.

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