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To want a PM who is actually going to address Covid?

214 replies

Ticketsto · 23/10/2022 11:55

We all know whoever wins, they will not speak about covid and the havoc it is causing on society still. Cases rising, hospitals bringing back social distancing, deaths going up. Measures such as mask wearing on public transport should have never ended.

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Winniewoooooooo · 23/10/2022 13:21

YABU

What exactly do you expect them to do?
People need to take responsibility for themselves. It's no different to flu and should be treated that way.

gotelltheoldmandowntheroad · 23/10/2022 13:21

Helpmewithteen · 23/10/2022 13:18

Oh, then like me he may just feel that as the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission and as I’ve already have covid twice, both times extremely mildly, having the vaccine is simply unnecessary.

No need for conspiracies…just good old fashioned logic.

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Don’t mind being called that as long as I’m healthy and free

Untitledsquatboulder · 23/10/2022 13:23

Conkersareback · 23/10/2022 13:12

@Untitledsquatboulder the NHS is not going under because of covid. It's going under because of cuts imposed by the government.

Underfunding is certainly a very big problem but I think you are underestimating the big drag on services that covid is causing.

I've just spent 3 weeks in the Children's Hospital with my ds. During that time covid was spreading through the staff and levels of absence through sickness were high. At least 1 member of staff that ds had to do with: nurses, kitchen manager, dietician, gastroenterologist was off at any given time. In his case (can't speak about any one else) covid absences delayed his treatment by 1 week so he spent an extra week in hospital. Scale that up and the cost is not inconsiderable and that's in a Children's Hospital which see few patients admitted due to covid.

Also during this month my phone appointment (already 6 months overdue) with my consultant was cancelled due to covid. I'd guess that's another 30 or so patients sat in the backlog right there.

MangyInseam · 23/10/2022 13:24

Good lord no. No no no.

What the heck would be done?

The only thing I can see that I would really support would be some significant efforts to improving air circulation in buildings. Not quick fixes but some funds directed to useful retrofitting over the next five to ten years and some research funds too.

Barriers, masks, social distancing, are all either ineffective or actually unhealthy.

It's only beginning to be realized now how many deaths, not to mention much misery, have been caused by all the covid measures.

Hellsmovie · 23/10/2022 13:25

Yabu

Just got to get on with life

Helpmewithteen · 23/10/2022 13:26

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/10/2022 13:20

Helpmewithteen

“Who are you referring to?”

sorry, was replying to telltheoldmandowntheroad

“Oh, then like me he may just feel that as the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission and as I’ve already have covid twice, both times extremely mildly, having the vaccine is simply unnecessary.
No need for conspiracies…just good old fashioned logic.”

I don’t believe it was ever claimed that the vaccines would prevent transmission. It was claimed that they would significantly reduce symptoms, which they do.

There is nothing that doesn’t “add up”.

Plenty of people claimed they stopped transmission, but that’s by the by.

Point is, they don’t and covid doesn’t make me seriously ill. So why would I put unnecessary medicines into my healthy body? It’s simply logic, not something not adding up.

askmenow · 23/10/2022 13:27

They'll be no more addressing Covid. Not going to happen!

The country hasn't the money for it. It's largely a milder disease now. Vaccines cannot stop transmission. Masks are a panacea unless vv high quality, wear once, hospital types... So what??
Do what you feel you need to do but I'm done! NO more.

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 23/10/2022 13:29

I don’t believe it was ever claimed that the vaccines would prevent transmission. It was claimed that they would significantly reduce symptoms, which they do

Wtf? Yes it was! It was claimed all the damn time. Even just on here there will be hundreds of threads filled with these exact claims, not to mention people wishing death on those who chose not to have the vaccine.

Inbredyokel · 23/10/2022 13:30

It is thoroughly depressing reading through the profound levels of selfishness and willful ignorance posted here. For those of you railing against the apparent fascism of masks, vaccines, science, modern medicine et al. there is no medical or scientific evidence supporting your wholly misinformed positions.
You are repeating nonsense cynically created on social media, sourced and repeated by people who have no scientific or medical background or any sort of understanding of what the problem is and how to deal with it.
You are literally arguing black is white.

As a medic, I find it tedious dealing with you.

I grow ever weary of arguing with you, your arguments last about as long as a snowflake versus a flamethrower, and even when you are completely disproved, you are shown to be the ignorant tiresome, selfish, entitled misled wretches that you are - you still argue.

If you feel so strongly in your misinformed position and don't believe in the efficacy of masks/vaccines etc, (i.e. you don't believe in modern medicine and science) please stay away from ED, A/E, UTC's, GP's and very definitely don't call 111 or 999...for anything.

Either you accept every we do as absolutely valid or you accept absolutely nothing - you can't have it both ways.

MangyInseam · 23/10/2022 13:30

Redwineandroses · 23/10/2022 12:10

What is it you want them to do?

Masks, when used outside of a clinical setting were more unhygienic.. People basically taking a mask off their face which could be contaminated with covid as it has just touched their mouth and nose, putting that mask in their pocket or bag so contaminating that and their hands. Putting said mask back on when required to do so in the next place all the while touching things and contaminating them.

Masks are gross unless used properly; clean mask worn, removed after use and binned with hands then washed, are more likely to spread covid than not.

Not even that. They aren't useful unless you are using an N-95 type mask, not touching it, binning it after about 2 hrs or if you need to remove it at all, and it should be properly fitted if you really want it to work.

Most people struggle to be comfortable in a mask of that kind, it does make breathing more difficult, not to mention it really is difficult to hear people wearing them.

People are of course free wear these masks now and do so properly, but the vast majority don't want to. And it's expensive and creates a lot of waste.

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/10/2022 13:31

Helpmewithteen ·
telltheoldmandowntheroad suggested something didn’t “add up”, which is clearly nonsense.

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 23/10/2022 13:32

Inbredyokel · 23/10/2022 13:30

It is thoroughly depressing reading through the profound levels of selfishness and willful ignorance posted here. For those of you railing against the apparent fascism of masks, vaccines, science, modern medicine et al. there is no medical or scientific evidence supporting your wholly misinformed positions.
You are repeating nonsense cynically created on social media, sourced and repeated by people who have no scientific or medical background or any sort of understanding of what the problem is and how to deal with it.
You are literally arguing black is white.

As a medic, I find it tedious dealing with you.

I grow ever weary of arguing with you, your arguments last about as long as a snowflake versus a flamethrower, and even when you are completely disproved, you are shown to be the ignorant tiresome, selfish, entitled misled wretches that you are - you still argue.

If you feel so strongly in your misinformed position and don't believe in the efficacy of masks/vaccines etc, (i.e. you don't believe in modern medicine and science) please stay away from ED, A/E, UTC's, GP's and very definitely don't call 111 or 999...for anything.

Either you accept every we do as absolutely valid or you accept absolutely nothing - you can't have it both ways.

That was an awful lot of words and an utter snoozefest. Selfish blah blah blah 🤣

Helpmewithteen · 23/10/2022 13:32

@Inbredyokel

I simply can’t believe you are a medic.

Explain to me why choosing not to have the vaccine is selfish again?

(Reminder, I’ve had covid twice and barely noticed.)

How would taking the vaccine tomorrow, make me less selfish?

Topgub · 23/10/2022 13:35

@Inbredyokel

Strawman much?

What kind of 'medic' are you?

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 23/10/2022 13:36

Misled wretches is creasing me 🤣

MangyInseam · 23/10/2022 13:39

Topgub · 23/10/2022 12:57

@IndigoC

as covid still represents a significant threat to those with major immune deficits. Even to the supposedly healthy.

Does it?

A significant threat?

I mean, sure, it may to some.

Those same people also are threatened by many other illnesses too.

What is weird about the attitude around this is suddenly they are scared about covid, and expect society to behave in a way that people never seemed to before. No one was saying everyone on a bus had to wear a mask to prevent immune compromised people from getting the flu. Or that not doing so meant they wanted to kill people.

And those are illnesses that are in some cases more likely to affect the young compared to covid.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2022 13:40

That was an awful lot of words and an utter snoozefest. Selfish blah blah blah 🤣

Actually it made a lot of sense.

Hooverphobe · 23/10/2022 13:40

@Inbredyokel interestingly (or perhaps not) - my medic friends snorted with laughter at the thought of non- high performing masks (ie scarves/cloth/paper) holding back an airborne virus.

you must be quite young and might be better off in research. Old medics know the GP are cunts and it’s just part of the job.

Jourdain11 · 23/10/2022 13:41

secretllama · 23/10/2022 13:17

@Ponoka7 @Jourdain11 but other CEV are at risk of death if they got flu. But was that always ok then? Why does it matter that its covid and not flu though, in terms of bringing in restrictions? I didn't say they were same. Just the fact that both could potentially kill someone vulnerable. So I don't understand why there's a moral high ground of duty to protect with one and not the other.

I don't know why you're tagging me? I agree. I think the hand-wringing "what about the CEV?" from people who never gave a moment's thought to the CEV pre-Covid is silly at best. And I'm not entirely following why people are still shielding because of Covid now if they weren't doing so pre-Covid. If you have compromised immunity, this impacts your vulnerability to any virus, not just Covid.

MadelineUsher · 23/10/2022 13:41

ignorant tiresome, selfish, entitled misled wretches

About sums it up.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 23/10/2022 13:42

As a medic, I find it tedious dealing with you

And the winner of this week's Pompous Supercilious Twat goes to....

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2022 13:42

About sums it up.

Yep

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 23/10/2022 13:43

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2022 13:40

That was an awful lot of words and an utter snoozefest. Selfish blah blah blah 🤣

Actually it made a lot of sense.

Ah well a poor misled wretch like me couldn't possibly understand such wisdom.

Topgub · 23/10/2022 13:43

@MangyInseam

Its the psychological programming the govt used to get people to comply with restrictions.

Clearly very effective

Beezknees · 23/10/2022 13:44

YABU. I had Covid in July, went into work with it (my boss told me to, no one cared). Life goes on. I'm more concerned about the cost of living.