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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

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Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 22/10/2022 20:32

Get off your high horse. Emily isn't condoning it, she doesn't have a say or a choice in what Poppy does - she's 25 and buying her own house. Do you want emily to cut off her dd? Throw her out?

Ekátn · 22/10/2022 20:33

Well that’s a bit of a mess.

Sounds like you didn’t handle it well at all.

In the real world, what would you expect Emily to do to stop her dd taking it?

and why did you then need to involve mutual friends?

Angelinia · 22/10/2022 20:35

Poppy is an adult and is making her own choices - sure, they may not align with your views but I don't think it's fair to be judging Emily, who most likely feels a great deal of stress and anxiety with Poppy.

I would try to be as supportive and understanding as possible.

TerfQueen · 22/10/2022 20:36

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?

What is it they say…. Takes one to know one?

🤷🏼‍♀️

JuneOsborne · 22/10/2022 20:36

You could support Emily or you could ditch her.

One of those options make you a dick, the other, a great friend.

Winederlust · 22/10/2022 20:37

I understand you disagreeing with your friend's approach to the situation but I think considering ending the friendship because of it is an extreme reaction. I think this is one of those situations where, beyond expressing concern, it really is none of your business at the end of the day.

threegoodthings · 22/10/2022 20:38

So what do you think Emily should be doing - throwing Poppy out, disowning her? You're being a bit hysterical. Poppy is just doing what many, many young people do.
Me and a good chunk of my school and uni friends took MDMA for years, we're all boring 40 somethings now with respectable lives and jobs.

DanielRicciardosSmile · 22/10/2022 20:39

Why are you talking to other friends about the situation?

Floofboopsnootandbork · 22/10/2022 20:41

I don’t really see what can be done about an adult with a job in the process of buying a house using their own money to buy drugs. It doesn’t sound like your friend is encouraging it as such, just accepting it.

If you’re not comfortable with the friendship anymore then you are of course well within your rights to end it but it sounds like maybe you will also lose your other friends too, yes?

And for the record, as some with autism, MDMA does help with the social issues I have. I don’t encourage using it regularly but as long as someone can be safe and sensible with it, which it sounds like Poppy is if she’s testing her pills, then using on the odd occasion isn’t all that awful.

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?
I was trying to find the words to say something along these lines. Maybe it’s just me but I didn’t have a clue what the signs were of someone being on drugs until I had used those drugs.

litlealligator · 22/10/2022 20:41

This would be a completely wild reason to end a 30 year friendship. How would you feel if Emily decided to end her friendship with you because she didn't like something your grown up DD was doing?

Stickworm · 22/10/2022 20:42

If she was 15 maybe I’d see your point (although still wouldn’t ditch my friend of 30 years) but she’s 25!

phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2022 20:42

YANBU if you have such strong feelings about illegal drug use, that’s your opinion but YABU because you’re mad at Emily for not parenting her adult child.

Her daughter is 25. What can she exactly do other than say she doesn’t like it? Both Emily and Poppy are adults. If you want to end a 30 year friendship over something that as you said is none of your business and against your views on parenting (again, Poppy is an adult), and nothing else, go ahead, but It seems a bit ridiculous to do so.

cravattwat · 22/10/2022 20:42

So you not only told her mother but then another friend about what had happened?

Her mum is right, she's an adult and it sounds like she's at least trying to be safe when taking drugs which is positive.

Maybe Emily is trying to be a supportive mum and keep an honest and open relationship rather than alienating her.

You can of course ditch your friend if you disagree but it says far more about you @Loulou572

longwayoff · 22/10/2022 20:43

You sound like the kind of friend that's unnecessary. If you'd consider dropping a friend of 30 years over something over which she has little or no control then you aren't a friend at all. Shocking. You sound very unkind.

cravattwat · 22/10/2022 20:43

TerfQueen · 22/10/2022 20:36

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?

What is it they say…. Takes one to know one?

🤷🏼‍♀️

Haha, yes!

hugefanofcheese · 22/10/2022 20:46

Realistically, what would you expect or like Emily to do about this?

I don't know much about the testing kits but it sounds as though Poppy is being open with her mum and precautions to be safe. It sounds as though MDMA has some benefits for her that may be more pronounced than for neurological individuals. Her friends and boyfriend were present and didn't abandon her so she has a good social group. Poppy sounds to be doing generally well in life. It sounds as though Emily has weighed up the risks here and decided that it's something to live with. I'm not sure how she would stop an independent 25 year old from using party drugs without some big intervention?

I don't like drugs either due to the supply lines etc but I think you're making more of this than you need to with language such as 'false accusations' and taking quite so much umbrage. The friends are right. You DD or her mates might have tried MDMA. Maybe not. You don't know. I think a sense of perspective and a bit less judgement is needed. Emily can't control her daughter. Is there some other reason you're feeling this way towards her?

hugefanofcheese · 22/10/2022 20:47

Neurotypical**

ForestDad · 22/10/2022 20:48

"it gives Poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way."

This is the important part of your post. Let her get on with her life, you don't know why she was sick (might have been drink, food or whatever). I hope she was ok between 12&4am. Poor girl.
I wouldn't cut off a friend over it.

Anydaynowonewouldhope · 22/10/2022 20:48

It couldn’t be less of your business

spoiler alert: your daughter has also taken ecstasy

phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2022 20:50

Floofboopsnootandbork · 22/10/2022 20:41

I don’t really see what can be done about an adult with a job in the process of buying a house using their own money to buy drugs. It doesn’t sound like your friend is encouraging it as such, just accepting it.

If you’re not comfortable with the friendship anymore then you are of course well within your rights to end it but it sounds like maybe you will also lose your other friends too, yes?

And for the record, as some with autism, MDMA does help with the social issues I have. I don’t encourage using it regularly but as long as someone can be safe and sensible with it, which it sounds like Poppy is if she’s testing her pills, then using on the odd occasion isn’t all that awful.

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?
I was trying to find the words to say something along these lines. Maybe it’s just me but I didn’t have a clue what the signs were of someone being on drugs until I had used those drugs.

I was thinking the same thing about the drug thing. I don’t do drugs either and never heard the thing about chewing gum. The whole chewing gum at a bar being suspect is an odd thing to say for someone who doesn’t use drugs unless she is around people that does.

5128gap · 22/10/2022 20:52

TerfQueen · 22/10/2022 20:36

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?

What is it they say…. Takes one to know one?

🤷🏼‍♀️

Dont be daft.
I doubt there's many people in their 20s who go to clubs and bars who wouldn't know about chewing, quiet people suddenly becoming very chatty and drugs. I'm a lot older than that and even I'd know.

HangOnToYourself · 22/10/2022 20:54

What a snitch

KitchiHuritAngeni · 22/10/2022 20:55

Your child isn't the angel you think she is.

You also never spoke to your friend out of concern, you wanted to tell tales about her grown up daughter, then went on to gossip about it with someone else.

You should end the friendship, for her sake. I couldn't be fucked being friends with such a nasty gossip, especially one who has rose tinted glasses about her own kid.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 22/10/2022 20:55

So in summary, your friend’s adult daughter made a show of herself, possibly because of drugs, and because your friend didn’t do anything about it - with her ADULT daughter let’s remember - you want to cut her off?

You sound like a child. Shored up by your use of ‘horrid drugs’ I mean come on get a grip.

Mamai90 · 22/10/2022 20:57

YABU.