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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

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Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
girlmom21 · 22/10/2022 20:58

YABVU.

TheSilentPicnic · 22/10/2022 21:00

Oh my gosh, I am amazed the friendship has lasted so long given how clueless and judgmental you are. Poor Emily.

WitchBitchGoldenSnitch · 22/10/2022 21:03

I bet anything your daughter is jealous because she's used to feeling socially superior to her asd friend and had to face the fact she was put with friends and she was sat there with her mum.

And yes, your daughter either takes drugs herself or knows people who do, so I wouldn't get too comfortable on that high horse of yours.

With friends like you and your daughter, who needs enemies.

Woolandwonder · 22/10/2022 21:03

Her daughter is an adult! What is she meant to do about it? It sounds like at least her daughter is being as safe as she can be by testing the pills.

SydneySage · 22/10/2022 21:03

Haha, you think your dd hasn't taken drugs??

Want2beme · 22/10/2022 21:06

If anything, she'd be doing the right thing by making amends to the bars she's puking in 🤮 Poor staff.

Mumandcarer · 22/10/2022 21:11

Remember Leah Betts? There was also a young lad from my home town that died at Kendal calling. Her mother should not be supporting her taking drugs. She should be encouraging her not to. I suffer with anxiety myself. But there are completely legal medications you can take to help with social anxiety.

5128gap · 22/10/2022 21:12

OP, I get that you're concerned, and think it was very good of you to look out for Poppy.
Buying your own house and being 25 is not a protective force shield that keeps you safe, and it sounds like Poppy was pretty vulnerable that night. Being suddenly and uncontrollably sick is never a good thing. No one plans for their night out to end by throwing up twice on a pub floor and being kicked out, so clearly she had lost control of the situation, making the idea she is 'sensible' with her drug use questionable.
That said, I really don't think you should judge Emily as there really isn't a lot she can do about it. Its certainly not something to end your friendship over. Maybe have a chat with her and tell her it worries you. She might be able to offer you another perspective.

Heyahun · 22/10/2022 21:12

You are so judgemental

PMcGee · 22/10/2022 21:12

Not your business

HyggeandTea · 22/10/2022 21:13

Yes, I would find that attitude difficult to deal with.
The drugs are illegal for a good reason, the excuses otherwise are ridiculous. (10 years as an A&E nurse previously, and DP is a psychologist who specialises in psychosis. It really isn't ever worth the risk)
I don't think it has to be so clearly defined as 'ending the friendship', why not step back for a while.

ChangeNameagain2 · 22/10/2022 21:13

spoiler alert: your daughter has also taken ecstasy I honestly don't understand everyone's comments like this? Unless just trying to get the boot into you. I'm 36, have never taken drugs in my life, but would totally know when someone was on drugs. I've lived, been to uni, plenty of nights out, on Instagram, read papers, TV shoes etc would totally know about the chewing/gum etc just from one episode of Geordie shore many a year ago!

RealBecca · 22/10/2022 21:14

I think youve already lost your friends over this tbh x

courtgou · 22/10/2022 21:16

Want2beme · 22/10/2022 21:06

If anything, she'd be doing the right thing by making amends to the bars she's puking in 🤮 Poor staff.

From someone who’s worked in many bars and clubs, that is absolutely not needed. 😂 It’s expected that people are going to throw up at some point and most nights there are even a couple each hour after a certain time. A few of the clubs I worked in even had special staff who were just there to assist when someone had chundered.

luxxlisbon · 22/10/2022 21:17

She’s 25 what do you expect her to do??
Whether she condones it or condemns it is irrelevant to you. What would you be happy with? Your friend cutting her daughter off??
Imo ending a 3 decade long friendship over a parenting decision someone makes let alone for a 25 year old adult is crazy.

PinkSyCo · 22/10/2022 21:23

You want to stop being friends with someone you’ve known for 3O years because you don’t like something their daughter does? Are you actually for real? I’m sure your friend would prefer her child not to take drugs, but how do you imagine you’d stop a 25 year old doing it? Would you think more highly of her the f she kicked her DD out? Seriously what do you want her to do to make her worthy of your friendship?

threegoodthings · 22/10/2022 21:23

Mumandcarer · 22/10/2022 21:11

Remember Leah Betts? There was also a young lad from my home town that died at Kendal calling. Her mother should not be supporting her taking drugs. She should be encouraging her not to. I suffer with anxiety myself. But there are completely legal medications you can take to help with social anxiety.

Leah Betts sadly died from drinking too much water almost 30 years ago. Everybody knew from then on to be careful with water consumption. Poppy is testing her pills, MDMA usage is generally a lot safer than it was in the 90s when we just chucked it down our throats.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2022 21:28

I also don’t understand these ‘takes one to know one’ comments. The ecstasy raves of the past were filled with revellers drinking bottles of water and thirst was a common side effect.

Smineusername · 22/10/2022 21:28

I thought that this was going to be a thread about how your friend is pissed off at you for knowingly leaving her daughter in a state, but oh no it's about you judging them! Whether or not she experiments with drugs is none of your business, but her friends certainly don't have her best interests at heart, and neither do you evidently. I'd be more worried about who she's mixing with than the drugs. Nose out.

MyMumSaysALot · 22/10/2022 21:31

My best friend supports me. I support my best friend.
And that is why we have been best friends for sixty one years.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2022 21:39

As for the personal drugs testing kit. Yes, these are readily available. Drugs these days are apparently far more pure than the drugs of the past. Contrary to popular belief, apparently, this actually makes them more, not less dangerous as it is far easier to overdose.

@threegoodthings What you are saying, I also believed to be correct. We were taught not to take drugs as they might contain rat poison etc. However, in reality this was astoundingly rare and this disinformation, which still persists was actually purposely put out to scare us. Unfortunately people still believe this to be true. Today’s drugs are more dangerous because the perception is that purer drugs are better when the opposite is true as they no longer contain innocuous fillers, which wouldn’t kill us, unlike the drug itself.

I only just learned all this btw from a webinar dd’s school signed up to inform the parents on the dangers of drugs.

saraclara · 22/10/2022 21:40

Emily could go nuts with Poppy over her drug use, threaten all sorts, and potentially lose her relationship with her vulnerable daughter. She could risk Poppy continuing her drug use secretly and without the monitoring, and risk her life.

Or she can treat her daughter like the adult she is, ensure that her drug taking is as safe as it can possibly be, and maintain the relationship that they have, where Poppy is open with her and allows her to help her manage her use.

I know what my approach would be with Poppy. And if my best friend judged me for it, then I'd save her friend dumping me, by doing it for her.

outtheshowernow · 22/10/2022 21:40

Look poppy is 25 she's a grown woman. She is using a social drug on nights out probably occasionally to ease her anxiety. Ecstasy is being trialled for an antidepressant and anti anxiety meds I think you should have minded your own business. Emily had already told you she was home safe and sound you didn't need to say anymore. Stop judging them alcohol is more of a danger that what she is taking as long as its a small amount and they are tested you need to get educated I think it should be Emily dropping you not the other way around And don't be so sure about your own daughter. You would be hard pushed to find a teenager these days who hasn't tried anything of this sort

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:41

Wow there are some right beeatches on this thread.

I agree with you in being perturbed by parents condoning illegal recreational drug use on the basis that it's good for ABC ..... There are tested medications for ABC.

Everyone sating x illegal street drug is good for ABC and that's why they're taking it is taking a little trip (pun intended) the land of self delusion.

I agree that parents should try to discourage it ... In a mature, kind, constructive way.

The girl is throwing up (sounds like quite a big violent throw up too) in bars, being ejected ... And it was repetitively when op encountered her (two and counting). That is not a good situation. It's cringe, humiliating, embarrassing, bit of a cluster fuck mess, and not a desirable bar to be accepting or lowering yourself to.

She would be better discussing her issues with a qualified experienced professional and seeing if any actual tested, manufactured, qualify assured pharmaceutical medication could help her. As opposed to street drugs that you can "test" all night but might still get caught out on.

In my experience parents and family members who don't envisage the above and tolerate condone the street drugs are just too lazy, irresponsible, foolish, can't be arsed etc to challenge it constructively ... They just make excuses and delude themselves.

My family member is like this about cannibis and her ADHD son who's been smoking it steady for years.

Apparently it helps adhd (read a few decent studies , it doesn't ... It appears to alleviate symptoms in the short term but often worsens the disorder in the long term), it's better than drinking (alcohol is at least legal and regulated, cannibis (exc. medical) is not, they are blissfully unaware that it's not recommended for the developing brain (under 25 roughly), and blissfully unaware of the shit that the illegal drug trade causes from source to supply. Smoking is apparently also no problem, sure ol granny so and so smoke til 80.

They just can't be bothered trying to persuade/argue with him to stop and are happy to delude themselves that it helps his condition, and happy to be ignorant about other issues and the drug trade.

Your mate is similar and I understand why you feel this way.

EscapeRoomToTheSun · 22/10/2022 21:44

I think you jumped the shark with the "horrid drugs" tbh. Noone is that po faced.