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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

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Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
ToadSmall · 22/10/2022 21:45

I don't think you could have stirred the pot any more if you had been a professional pot stirrer with an antique spoon carved from a judges hammer.

Just texted your friend to check on Poppy.

Didn't get the response you wanted from that so you rang her to tell her that her daughter was taking drugs.

Didn't get the response you wanted from that so you called another friend.

She didn't condone the mother either so you went to a fourth person and told them you couldn't be friends with Emily.

You have let a bomb off on your friendship group. Nobody agrees with you. None of them.

I don't think you are going to get the opportunity to not speak to Emily again!

So now you have come to Mumsnet!

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:45

Ultimately though, you can't/won't change her. You'll only fuck up your friendship.wirh her challenging her.

So you'll have to decide if you can take the laissez faire stoical not my monkeys approach, or you cant.

Hopefully her dd will grow out of this, as the vast majority of people do ... And find healthier/better ways of dealing with her condition.

If she's house buying at 25 with a partner, she's quite an early settler and will possibly have kids on the young side too ... That usually knocks this sort of crap on the head.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:48

*Emily could go nuts with Poppy over her drug use, threaten all sorts, and potentially lose her relationship with her vulnerable daughter. She could risk Poppy continuing her drug use secretly and without the monitoring, and risk her life.

Or she can treat her daughter like the adult she is, ensure that her drug taking is as safe as it can possibly be, and maintain the relationship that they have, where Poppy is open with her and allows her to help her manage her use.*

Yes those are the only two possible approaches.

It's not possible to have a constructive conversation with a 25 yr old you supposedly have a good relationship with. It's not possible not to lose your shit or go at it like a bull in a china shop.

Wtaf.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:51

Rage or permissive-ness ... The two options available to parents of recreational illegal street drugs ... Lol

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:51

*parents of users of recreational street drugs

VladmirsPoutine · 22/10/2022 21:52

On one hand I know it’s not my business

But you're willing to end the whole friendship Confused Main character syndrome needs to be studied.

5128gap · 22/10/2022 21:52

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:45

Ultimately though, you can't/won't change her. You'll only fuck up your friendship.wirh her challenging her.

So you'll have to decide if you can take the laissez faire stoical not my monkeys approach, or you cant.

Hopefully her dd will grow out of this, as the vast majority of people do ... And find healthier/better ways of dealing with her condition.

If she's house buying at 25 with a partner, she's quite an early settler and will possibly have kids on the young side too ... That usually knocks this sort of crap on the head.

I'm glad you posted. You talk sense here, and in your previous post.
I was starting to think I'd stumbled into a parallel world populated solely by a bunch of incredibly naive people keen to show how cool they are.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:57

5128gap · 22/10/2022 21:52

I'm glad you posted. You talk sense here, and in your previous post.
I was starting to think I'd stumbled into a parallel world populated solely by a bunch of incredibly naive people keen to show how cool they are.

Aibu on a sat night.

Some truly nasty posts too.

I think op is genuinely concerned/perturbed for the young woman (whom she's presumably seen grow up from a baby) but several posters are determined to cast her as a villain. They're posts are a reflection of their own thought patterns and standards.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 21:58

*Their

DespiteAllMyRage · 22/10/2022 21:58

Poppy is an adult. Mad how you’ve managed to make this situation all about you and your high horse.

Emily is doing the best she can in this situation - keeping an open dialogue with her daughter and ensuring she uses the safety tests that are available.

Competent adults with full mental capacity are free to make unwise decision. Maybe she’s weighed up the risks of something bad happening against the benefits of being able to interact wholly and freely with her peers for a few hours every few weeks.

MichelleScarn · 22/10/2022 21:58

5128gap · 22/10/2022 21:52

I'm glad you posted. You talk sense here, and in your previous post.
I was starting to think I'd stumbled into a parallel world populated solely by a bunch of incredibly naive people keen to show how cool they are.

Same @5128gap all the nasty bitchy 'chill' "your daughter must take drugs" posters are quite an eye-opener!

AutumnScream · 22/10/2022 21:59

I think emily should end her 30 year friendship with a nasty judgmental person who bitches to mutual friends about her adult daughter and her parenting.

Snugglemonkey · 22/10/2022 21:59

Why are you creating all of this drama? Why would mutual friends be involved? This really is none of your business and unbelievably judgemental of you. I would not be surprised if friends chose to end their friendship with you tbh.

Snugglemonkey · 22/10/2022 22:01

5128gap · 22/10/2022 21:12

OP, I get that you're concerned, and think it was very good of you to look out for Poppy.
Buying your own house and being 25 is not a protective force shield that keeps you safe, and it sounds like Poppy was pretty vulnerable that night. Being suddenly and uncontrollably sick is never a good thing. No one plans for their night out to end by throwing up twice on a pub floor and being kicked out, so clearly she had lost control of the situation, making the idea she is 'sensible' with her drug use questionable.
That said, I really don't think you should judge Emily as there really isn't a lot she can do about it. Its certainly not something to end your friendship over. Maybe have a chat with her and tell her it worries you. She might be able to offer you another perspective.

They didn't look after Poppy though!

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:02

Poppy is an adult. Mad how you’ve managed to make this situation all about you and your high horse.

She's a young adult who's got a condition, is using illegal street drugs, and is violently vomiting in bars and being ejected from more than one establishment.... I don't think op is wrong or incomprehensible to be perturbed or concerned.

Oh and isn't your brain only fully developed by 25 .... I've heard mid 20s talking on the train (say in my mid to late 30s) and they often sound not unlike adolescents to me; they're not really full adults, they're not mature.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:04

Snugglemonkey · 22/10/2022 22:01

They didn't look after Poppy though!

I must have missed where they had any opportunity to look after her.

She was not out with them, she encountered them and chatted for a bit, went off elsewhere, was sick without them knowing, was ejected without them knowing .... And they had no reason to know and no reason to follow her around when they weren't out together and she was with her friends; are you reading a different thread??

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:05

A condition? She's autistic, not an imbecile. She's an adult. She can choose to take drugs if she wants. She can get shit drunk and vomit in bars if she wants. There is no need to go running to her mummy telling tales. It's not anyone else's business.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:06

MichelleScarn · 22/10/2022 21:58

Same @5128gap all the nasty bitchy 'chill' "your daughter must take drugs" posters are quite an eye-opener!

Oh and your daughter is jealous because poppy was out with her friends and she was out with her Mum!!

Fuck me.

I think it's lovely that DDS would gomout with their Mum etc.

And I'm sure she has at least one friend of her own.

But she's just a jealous pathetic bitch apparently.

They really came out on this thread.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:07

A condition? She's autistic

Yeah that's a condition.

And the condition is not imbecility.

Are people drunk on here .... Or maybe on Es lol...oh hold on, they'd be a lot more chilled 😂

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:08

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:07

A condition? She's autistic

Yeah that's a condition.

And the condition is not imbecility.

Are people drunk on here .... Or maybe on Es lol...oh hold on, they'd be a lot more chilled 😂

What about her being autistic is relevant to getting her mother involved in her life choices?

Darbs76 · 22/10/2022 22:09

I have several friends of 30yrs plus. No I wouldn’t end the friendship for this. What do you expect her to do? She’s a 25yr old adult.

ChillysWaterBottle · 22/10/2022 22:10

YABU and a bad friend

5128gap · 22/10/2022 22:12

Snugglemonkey · 22/10/2022 22:01

They didn't look after Poppy though!

She went over to check she was OK and spoke to her BF. She waited to see her into a taxi before getting her own taxi and she texted to check on her next morning. I'd say that's looking out for her.

decayingmatter · 22/10/2022 22:16

You are SO concerned about her, but knew she had taken drugs and was being sick, and you went home and didn't call her mum until the next day?

'But she's a grown woman and was with her boyfriend and friends, what could I have done?'.....now apply your response to your long standing friend. What the fuck do you want her to do?

LuckyLil · 22/10/2022 22:16

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:05

A condition? She's autistic, not an imbecile. She's an adult. She can choose to take drugs if she wants. She can get shit drunk and vomit in bars if she wants. There is no need to go running to her mummy telling tales. It's not anyone else's business.

On the contrary she's enough of an imbecile to think taking illicit drugs which no 'testing kit' in the world are ever going to make safe, are helping her autism. Not sure I'd drop the friend but I certainly wouldn't be associating with her DD and her drug induced projectile vomit party trick. Clearly the testing kit didn't work to well with that last trip. Sounds pretty classy really staggering in taxis drenched in your own puke, not knowing what planet you're on. Pretty disturbing that your parent would be so blasé about it as well. I wonder if her mother will still think MDMA is great for her DDs autism when she winds up dead in a ditch because her so called 'testing kit' fucked up again..

So e of the replies on this thread are unbefuckingleivable!