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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

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Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
AliceMcK · 22/10/2022 22:16

TerfQueen · 22/10/2022 20:36

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?

What is it they say…. Takes one to know one?

🤷🏼‍♀️

What utter shit. I’ve never taken drugs in my life but know the signs, enough of my friends and family took/take them. You don’t have to take drugs to know what people who do look like 🙄

LuckyLil · 22/10/2022 22:18

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:08

What about her being autistic is relevant to getting her mother involved in her life choices?

Her mother is already involved. She already knew what was going on.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:19

She can choose to take drugs if she wants. She can get shit drunk and vomit in bars if she wants. There is no need to go running to her mummy telling tales. It's not anyone else's business.

It might be somebody else's business if she gets a bad E (in spite of her no doubt infallible testing system), or falls badly, or chokes/asphixiates on vomit. Other people who made drunk and high aren't all that fantastic as carers. Op naturally thought it might be relevant to her Mum for her welfare ...turns out get Mum knows and condones it ... She was t to know that til she mentioned it.

At the very least poppy could develop undesirable outcomes from mdma etc use. But don't worry, like cannibis .... That never ever happens. 🙄

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:20

*Other people who are drunk and high aren't all that fantastic as carers. Op naturally thought it might be relevant to her Mum for her welfare ...turns out her Mum knows and condones it ... But she wasn't to know that until she mentioned it.

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:22

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:19

She can choose to take drugs if she wants. She can get shit drunk and vomit in bars if she wants. There is no need to go running to her mummy telling tales. It's not anyone else's business.

It might be somebody else's business if she gets a bad E (in spite of her no doubt infallible testing system), or falls badly, or chokes/asphixiates on vomit. Other people who made drunk and high aren't all that fantastic as carers. Op naturally thought it might be relevant to her Mum for her welfare ...turns out get Mum knows and condones it ... She was t to know that til she mentioned it.

At the very least poppy could develop undesirable outcomes from mdma etc use. But don't worry, like cannibis .... That never ever happens. 🙄

But what do you expect her mother to do about it?

"Poppy, stop taking drugs."
"Ok, mum."

Because 25-year-olds do as they are told. 🙄

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:24

She can get shit drunk and vomit in bars if she wants

Getting so drunk and off your face on illegal.drugs, vomitting and being ejected from successive premises is not a good look on anyone ... Male, female, old, young ....

Anyone doing that needs a bit of help,vadcjce, circumspection etc. If they don't listen, fair enough .... But you at least try, esp if it's your child and loved one.n

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:25

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:22

But what do you expect her mother to do about it?

"Poppy, stop taking drugs."
"Ok, mum."

Because 25-year-olds do as they are told. 🙄

You really are the queen of black and white extreme, completely unrealistic scenarios, aren't you.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:26

But what do you expect her mother to do about it?

Are you a mother? What would you do about it?

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 22/10/2022 22:28

YADBU. Your friend's daughter is an adult.

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:29

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:25

You really are the queen of black and white extreme, completely unrealistic scenarios, aren't you.

I'm autistic, so, yeah.

You seem to think mothers have some superpower to control the actions of their children. The OP says Emily knows there is nothing she can do about it. I'm sure they've talked about it. So, now what? Should she go no contact with her? Ground her? Threaten her? Just because she's not punishing her doesn't mean she supports her daughter taking drugs.

MrsAlexander · 22/10/2022 22:29

It's the old phrase:

*Not my circle, not my monkeys
*
We all have opinions on situations, it's very hard not to but they're opinions. It's not our business to delve further. If you really feel you need to end the friendship then do it but also know that YOU choosing that making a stand about a situation with someone's FULLY GROWN daughter that doesn't involve you has lost you a friend.

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:30

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:26

But what do you expect her mother to do about it?

Are you a mother? What would you do about it?

What could I do about it. I'd like to think my children would have more sense than to take drugs. But if they do, it's not like I can physically stop them. Why, how would you stop yours?

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:31

LuckyLil · 22/10/2022 22:16

On the contrary she's enough of an imbecile to think taking illicit drugs which no 'testing kit' in the world are ever going to make safe, are helping her autism. Not sure I'd drop the friend but I certainly wouldn't be associating with her DD and her drug induced projectile vomit party trick. Clearly the testing kit didn't work to well with that last trip. Sounds pretty classy really staggering in taxis drenched in your own puke, not knowing what planet you're on. Pretty disturbing that your parent would be so blasé about it as well. I wonder if her mother will still think MDMA is great for her DDs autism when she winds up dead in a ditch because her so called 'testing kit' fucked up again..

So e of the replies on this thread are unbefuckingleivable!

👏

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:32

BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:30

What could I do about it. I'd like to think my children would have more sense than to take drugs. But if they do, it's not like I can physically stop them. Why, how would you stop yours?

And how would you try to ensure that your children "had enough sense not to take drugs"?

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:33

Why do you think I'm suggesting you (or poppy's Mum) try to physically stop them?

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:34

You seem to think mothers have some superpower to control the actions of their children.

There you go again.

Never once suggested anything approaching that.

FuckWasps · 22/10/2022 22:36

Not sure why you thought it any of your business in the first place. Shes 25 ffs.

You sound naive and up your own arse.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:36

MrsAlexander · 22/10/2022 22:29

It's the old phrase:

*Not my circle, not my monkeys
*
We all have opinions on situations, it's very hard not to but they're opinions. It's not our business to delve further. If you really feel you need to end the friendship then do it but also know that YOU choosing that making a stand about a situation with someone's FULLY GROWN daughter that doesn't involve you has lost you a friend.

Yep,

You thought she didn't know

She knows.

She's got her approach, you're very unlikely to change it, so you accept it or not.

And hope her dd gets away with the drug use etc til she grows out of it, as most ppl do.

And never wear your best shoes around her socially 😉

SofaLola33 · 22/10/2022 22:37

agree with those saying you didn’t handle it well! Luckily the people you ran to already knew about it! I wonder if your friend hadn’t confided in you because she new how you would react!

I can’t imagine that it is easy for your friend, knowing her DD does drugs recreationally but it’s good that her DD has confided in her! It’s not unusual for people to experiment, so I wouldn’t be so sure your DD hasn’t at least tried!

Maybe it would be best for your friend if you walked away, so she has less judgemental friends in her life!

Haffiana · 22/10/2022 22:37

About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her,

You SMOKE CIGARETTES with your daughter?! You condone doing that but get all self-righteous and dramatic about your friend's attitude to her daughter?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle grimy-arse.

BrimFullOfAsher · 22/10/2022 22:39

Riiiggghhhtt...

Cas112 · 22/10/2022 22:41

I have a feeling your daughter definitely takes drugs so I would get off your high horse if I was you 😂

Puffalicious · 22/10/2022 22:41

NONE of your business. Absolutely none. You were concerned, you told your friend- the end. HER decision what to do about it. If your opinion of her changes because of this, you're the dick. I don't agree with everything my close friends think/ do and vice versa, we're not clones.

clarepetal · 22/10/2022 22:41

Mumandcarer · 22/10/2022 21:11

Remember Leah Betts? There was also a young lad from my home town that died at Kendal calling. Her mother should not be supporting her taking drugs. She should be encouraging her not to. I suffer with anxiety myself. But there are completely legal medications you can take to help with social anxiety.

Agreed.

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:41

FuckWasps · 22/10/2022 22:36

Not sure why you thought it any of your business in the first place. Shes 25 ffs.

You sound naive and up your own arse.

She sounds concerned/perturbed to me.

As I think many people would be if they saw a young woman they've presumably known since a baby being ejected from successive premises in your town due to drug and alcohol use and vomitting etc.

Some ppl on this thread seem determined to depict that as ok, it's not. Never had been , never will be. Raise your fkn bar.
It's not naivety.

She thought her Mum didn't know, turns out she did. Now she has to decide whether to be stoical or distance herself.