To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

Yanbu. At all.

Of course it's madness. Of course it's child abuse.

It's a massive backwards step, playing up to stereotypes that need to be scrapped.

I think it's more of a socialisation scandal with younger children, rather than a medical one. Although I am aware on rare occasions kids are given puberty blockers.

It's all wrong.

Absolutely the truth, OP.

YA-definitely-NBU!

And I honestly don't think anyone can actually rationalise transitioning 3/4 Yr olds, or even any children under the age of about 15yo imo.

It is 100% abuse. When one of mine was about 8 he still spent a fair bit of his life insisting he was a dog. I didn't put a collar on him, feed him Chappy and let him shit in the back yard FFS.

It is abuse. In all of these cases, I’d think in was the parents who wanted a child of the opposite sex, or we’re looking for attention. Look at all the praise and attention helped on parents of ‘trans children’. It may be a coincidence, but since this whole debacle started, cases of munchausens by proxy have dropped significantly. You can get more attention from a trans child and if anyone asks difficult questions you can just call them a transphobe.

I’ve used words on here before that Dr Az Hakeem is now using, and been deleted. I hope the fact that such a senior psychiatrist is saying them means that we can quote them at least?

There are things that do need to be said about the parents of three year olds who behave in certain ways.

Yes! Munchausens!

I’ve been muttering for years that a certain type of parent is delighted in the attention it brings. But seriously? The actual recorded figures have dropped? 😲

out and out child abuse.

Looking at that graph, 150 kids of 8 and under were referred in the last year. This is not child driven, it's parent driven. Social services need to be involved and I hope that the new proposed nhs guidelines go through.

Honestly I think there are a few children who are gay, but who, for some reason, prefer the idea of being the opposite sex instead (family pressure or something?) and I think there are people who prefer to present as the opposite sex for a number of reasons, but the idea of someone actually “changing” sex or “living as a man/woman” is reductive nonsense, especially when it comes to children.
As I’ve said before, until the TRAs took over, nearly everyone just accepted that some people dressed in clothes associated with the opposite sex, and that was fine, we were polite and generally accepting. TRAs have turned this into a men’s rights issue and ruined it for the small number of people who were just quietly living their lives.
As for “trans” children - it’s abuse at worst, deeply confusing for the poor child at best. The more people speaking out about it the better.

It’s absolutely awful and scary.

I’m a woman/female XX.

when I was a child I was a “tomboy” (I hate to use that word as it reinforces gender stereotypes).

I found the sports, hobbies and toys that boys were “allowed” to do much more interesting than the traditional feminine things thrust upon me.

I had cropped hair, wore “boys” clothes and climbed trees, had transformed toys and wrestled. All my friends were boys.

I told everyone I was a boy and my name was Junior (from Popeye!)

I didn’t want to have a penis, I am heterosexual. I just didn’t want the gender stereotypes forced upon me.

by 12/13 I had grown my hair long but I’ve always been quite masculine in my ways. (90’s ladette culture appealed to me)

I fear that if I was raised now I could end up in some kind of gender clinic and told I am trans!! It scares me what these young people are being forced on.

What mostly annoys me is I think it’s still down to stereotypes now and what society forces on children.

my son once said to me he wanted to be a girl and I asked why. He said so he could do crafts like his sister. I had no idea where that came from but course he has access to crafts at home!

it’s all down to society. Who says boys can’t wear skirts or make up etc.

scary stuff. A lot of attention seeking and in fashion. I agree with a lot of what Bob Withers says.

YANBU.

Completely agree. Children should never be allowed to transition. It is child abuse

It is a scary and a large proportion of the children have autism as well.

My dd also spent some time saying she wanted to be a boy, called herself Sam , and wanted boy clothes.
Then she mimicked the dog and ate from a bowl on the floor ( her friends did same thing for a while!).
All phases as she learned about the world!
What does it say about us that society rushed in to assist this abuse?

is there actual evidence that cases of Munchausen’s by proxy is dropping?

I am gender critical like most of MN and think the affirmative rather than critical approach of gender clinics is a scandal.

However the only trans kid I know has been dressing/identifying as a girl since they were a toddler, is now a tween and has never changed. It’s not a phase. And I know it’s not an agenda pushed by their parents. It’s the old-fashioned kind of transgenderism which has long existed before the current cult.

I am more concerned about the societal influences which are driving up trans identification in adolescents. Teens have always tried to find their tribe. But usually this is not associated with such life changing and potentially harmful choices.

It's abuse. A child that doesn't fit stereotypes or believes in gender, or is a girl who plays with 'boy toys' does not need a mastectomy, hormones, hysterectomy and a neo penis. It's a massive medical scandal I am glad more people are waking up to.

Telling children they can change sex, well actually telling anyone they can change sex, is unethical and damaging. This affirmation approach is hopefully on the way out.

YANBU

YANBU at all.

Child abuse. The parents should be referred to SS.

Yanbu. It is abuse.
There's a child in DD's class who was rebranded as a girl last year, at age 5 and in year 1. She had been wearing dresses to school since the start. Right now it doesn't really make any difference to anyone. I wonder about issues arising in the future though. Right now all the children change together for PE in the classroom. From year 4 they separate the boys and girls. I don't think it's fair on the girls to change with this child, DD is already starting to want a bit of privacy when changing.

100% child abuse. It's utterly horrendous what's been happening. That parents are worried their children will be taken away if we don't affirm a child's gender identity - beyond terrifying. We have all been gaslit, institutions, communities, schools. It's time to point out the emperor has no clothes.

Can't vote because I'm on the app (@MNHQ how about a voting button for us?) but YADNBU.

I would also add that it is abuse of teenagers as well. Kids with autism, those who have been in care and those who have been sexually assaulted are massively over-represented in children saying they are trans. The evidence shows that the vast majority will detransition if left. It's an expression of trauma. They need help, not medical sterilisation. Instead they are being told that it is possible to change sex. We need very clear language about this because we are letting a whole generation down.

I disagree that it has no impact on other children. They are being forced to lie that this kid has changed sex. Boys cannot become girls and it's incredibly confusing for children to be told they must join in with this lie from all the adults involved. He is a boy in a girl's uniform.

Agree that the adults at this school are compelling all the children to lie. I would remove my children from a school that actively encouraged and participated in lying.

What is happening to children is scary at the moment, I can't actually believe anyone would try to transition a 3yo!!

My daughters peer group at school consists of a non binary girl, a girls who identifies as male and very much dresses as such and uses a crazy name, a girl who says shes a boy, but acts and dresses like a girl and also has given herself a crazy name, and another who recently has started saying she is non binary but also doesnt identify as human ???

They're 13! My DD is confident in her skin, but I think the latter two in this example does show what a role peer and societal pressure plays. The crazy names are a good example, like it's fun to insist people call you a mad name rather than your much more "normal" boring name.

@Igmum very interesting point: it’s “an expression of trauma”.