To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

I stand for spaces that are ‘opt in’, where power is placed in the individual and one gets to decide for themselves whether they belong, or even if they wish to belong at all. Spaces that are set up to be welcoming and supportive, inclusive and based on self-defined and self-constructed identities. Spaces that have the power to be healing, affirming and nurturing. Those are spaces of which I am proud to belong.

Well that's all well and good but to create these spaces which affirm some people, you have to force others to stay in them. That's what's happening with women's spaces. Like most women, I have nothing in common with a TW. But if all the women left those spaces, leaving all the trans-identifying males in them, those males would feel maligned. Men who want to believe they are like women are desperately trying to prevent women from saying that they don't identify as women, they just are women. Because to face the truth removes the ability for them to deceive themselves that they belong with the women. This is horribly individualised thinking.

While we're asking genderfuck elf rhetorical questions, when did they graduate as a doctor?

And if people are now identifying as elves can they get the ears on the NHS?

Okay. that's thrown up new questions for me. I don't know when they would have had their viva, but they submitted their thesis in 2016, and they would have been working on it when they got their job as a trainee clinical psychologist at the tavistock, the year before that. I'd presumed their thesis would be in the care of adolescents with gender dysphoria. It's actually on how adult women can preserve their relationships with adult males pursuing transition. So, transwidows?

Full thing is behind a paywall, naturally, but the abstract is public access. As are the references used.

ABSTRACT
> Historically trans people have often wrongly been advised that the gender role transition process would result in the breakdown of their relationships, and couples have often been provided with little support through this process. This paper presents an in-depth narrative analysis of the accounts of six cisgender women who have been partnered with trans individuals. It focuses on the support that non-trans partners accessed while their partner progressed through their gender transition. Support was deemed important by all participants in relation to their aim of remaining together with their partners. In terms of whom they accessed support from, participants spoke about interactions with other people in similar situations, with professional therapists, with the Gender Identity Clinics (GICs), and with their partners. In regard to therapy, some reported that their partner's transition was a topic they did not need to discuss. Many reported they had to take an “educator” role in therapy, suggesting that more training for therapists is required. Those who attended GICs with their partner were ambivalent about whether they would have utilised support there if it had been available there, stating that locally situated support was preferable. The paper draws out the clinical implications in relation to these areas.

Some highlights from the references

• Brown, N. R. (2009). ‘I'm in transition too’: Sexual identity renegotiation in sexual minority women's relationships with transsexual men. International Journal of Sexual Health, 21, 61–77.

And

Joslin-Roher, E., & Wheeler, D.P. (2009). Partners in transition: The transition experiences of lesbian, bisexual and queer identified partners of transgendered men. Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services, 21, 30–48.

Language has really shifted since 2009. Telling same-sex attracted women that they should be open to sexual relationships with "transgendered men" sounds so much more absurd, doesn't it?

Silence from Stonewall, GIRES, Gendered Intelligence, Global Butterflies or the organisations involved (Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids etc)…Which inevitably raises the question about why? Why won't they say this is wrong?

I suspect, knowing someone who seems to have a similar mindset, that every proclivity is labelled as a kink, as queerness, as a natural expression of their true selves, and all of this is not only A-OK in the name of inclusivity, diversity and breaking down boundaries barriers, but it’s to be actively encouraged.

As such, it doesn’t matter what a DBS or social media check would throw up, it’s all fine.

It's actually on how adult women can preserve their relationships with adult males pursuing transition.

I presume the onus here will be on convincing the women to put the effort into maintaining these relationships at the behest of their now-transwoman husband who wants to have their cake and eat it, and to stay in these relationships whether they want to or not?

I presume the onus here will be on convincing the women to put the effort into maintaining these relationships at the behest of their now-transwoman husband who wants to have their cake and eat it, and to stay in these relationships whether they want to or not?

That's the impression I'm getting. Other references cited:

• Aramburu Alegria, C. (2010). Relationship challenges and relationship maintenance activates following disclosure of transsexualism. Journal of Psychiatric and Mental Health Nursing, 17, 909–916.
• Aramburu Alegria, C. (2013). Relational and sexual fluidity in females partnered with male to female transsexual persons. Journal of Psychiatric and Mental Health Nursing, 20, 142–149.

It's always the same isn't it? In all of this and in all of the stuff on the relationships board that ends with women in refuges.

They said 'no' and their boundary, their feelings, their choice, was seen as their opening point in a negotiation with a salesman bent on his sale.

'I'm homosexual' - well let me talk you out of that (so this male gets what they want; what you want/need/feel isn't relevant, you role is how the male wishes to use you)

'I want single sex spaces' - rinse and repeat

'I don't have a gender identity' - rinse and repeat

'I think children need standard safeguarding with no special exceptions' - rinse and repeat.

What's the common factor here for women?

The male. And the male's view of them as a resource that they have entitlement to. And their feelings/choices/needs being framed as unwanted boundaries and negative behaviour.

Largely because they stand in the way of the male getting exactly what they want.

This is terrifying.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes That blog - I could hardly bear to skim read it. What a tortuous pile of self absorbed steaming bullshit. How does this individual function in the real world?

I know that's a rhetorical question but I think the Cass Review may answer it, when Dr Cass finishes her investigation.

How many children will be harmed by the SNP before then I wonder.

Dr Bell has made a very scathing comment in today’s Telegraph on the SNP - there’s a thread going on it. He is definitely in a position to comment.

You can always rely on the Daily Mail to publish accurate and insightful articles

Well quite. Unlike the guardian which didn’t publish anything on this scandal….

Which points are inaccurate?
And what insights do you have an issue with?