To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

YADNBU.

In kids that young it's absolutely abusive. But I'd also say some parents (not necessarily the ones he's talking about) believe all the trans ideology.

As a parent of a teen ds who currently identifes as a girl, who's experienced massive amounts of trauma, partly as a result of their dad, I'm appalled that the gender ideology issue has overshadowed all the other issues "trans" kids present with - trauma, autism, homophobia in family, victims of sexual abuse. That's abusive, medically negligent and just fkn appalling imho.

“Gender dysphoria” only presents in a very, very small number of boys, and usually starts around aged 4 or 5, according to Abigail Shrier. Her book Irreversible Damage is an excellent introduction for anyone wondering WTAF has been happening over the last ten years. Clue: “social contagion” is one of her key phrases.

I can accept the fact that in the entire country we MIGHT have a couple of children that are struggling with this issue but there is no way we need an entire department dedicated to it.
Noone under 18 should be able to have anything pumped into their body to change their gender.

I was ‘a boy’. I hated anything traditionally feminine from about 3 years old . I farmed snails in the dolls house my father bought me I wore boys clothes , begged for short hair , played out on the green with the boys wrestling and stuff. I like fishing, dirt bikes and setting fire to things in the yard.
if my parents had allowed me to mutilate my body based on this and screw up my long term health , fertility and sexual function I would never have forgiven them. At about thirteen I morphed into a very pretty , very feminine, boy crazy young women who retains fairly masculine hobbies and probably would be described as a bit tomboyish but I’m 100% woman inside and out .

I think the most shocking thing in that article is the timeline where they identify every point at which someone raised serious concerns and those concerns were ignored. How many children have been physically or mentally harmed since Sue Evans first tried to raise this issue?

There's a trans kid in my kid's school. Transitioned from a little girl to a boy when they were 4, name change, male pronouns the lot. It's so sad and absolutely ridiculous. They have an older brother who used to come to school in summer dresses etc, so it's clear to me that this is all coming from the parents. "Ooh gender is just a construct darling, you'd like to be a boy? Yes that's fine sweetie!"

I could have written @Mexicola s post, I too grew up as a tomboy, boys clothes, short hair, always thrilled when people mistook me for a boy. I also wonder what would have become of me in today's climate? Would I now be a trans gay man? That thought horrifies me, not because there's anything wrong with being a trans gay man, but that I'm perfectly happy being a straight woman. Having choices like these forced into kids for a "decision" they made when they were 4 years old is heartbreaking.

I've spoken to a family member of the kid at school and apparently the child is dreading puberty, she's 8. What I also don't understand is that everyone at school knows they are trans so they are still not accepted as one of the boys, so I don't really see the point? I thought the whole idea was so they could pretend to be a boy, in order to properly live as a boy? ie to be accepted as a boy in the way a tomboy never would be? Why not just let her be a tomboy? Why the need to change her whole identity?

It’s child abuse, no doubt about it.

I agree with what people are saying. However to stop this we need to actually live with no gender stereotypes. There are still regular threads on here about parents treating children differently because of their sex, about parents not wanting their boy to play with dolls or wear nail varnish etc. There was one thread a while ago from a parent who's little boy loved wearing dresses and was adamant he wanted to wear a dress to primary school which he was shortly due to start. The overwhelming response from the AIBU community was that the parent was being unreasonable and trying to be 'woke' and 'using their son to make a point', and that even if the boy had a strong preference, the parents should make him wear boys uniform so he didn't get bullied. There was another thread about parents who didnt want to tell the world if theyd had a boy or a girl, where they were branded 'ridiculous', because for some reason people think they have a right to know about someone elses genitals.

My opinion is, that children should wear and play with whatever they like. I can see why, when there is so much gendering (even at year 1, boys play football and girls play more 'feminine' games likes skipping at my kids school) that if children are told 'you can't do x because you are a boy/girl', in a kids mind it is fairly logical to jump to a conclusion that 'if I really want to do x then I must actually be a boy/girl'. If gender stereotypes were much less of a thing, and people didn't feel pressure from society to confirm to arbitrary rules based on sex, I don't think transitioning would be as much of a thing.

YANBU. It's child abuse and in a sane society we would never allow it.

You are 100% not being unreasonable.

I've been thinking for years that it's scary and terrifying that parents are trying to transition tiny children to be the opposite sex and insisting that it's coming from the child.

People are too scared to say anything for fear of being called transphobic.

When I think back to my own childhood I went through phases where I wanted to be a dog, then a cat. I went through a stage of wanting to be a boy, I was never into very girly things. I daydreamed about wearing boys clothes and a cap and seeing if I could trick people. I dead to think the consequences of that in todays world.

If these children insisted they were fat, despite being slim, would the parents take them to weight watchers? I’d these children insisted they were actually adults, would they be allowed to leave school and get a job? If these children insisted they were disabled, would the parents buy them a wheelchair? Why is gender the only thing that we MUST believe a child on, even a very young one?

@MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel there is a trans girl(I think that’s the right way round) at my partners work, wants to be a girl but still dressed like a male, hair cut like a male then gets angry and plays the transphobic card when a customer asks ‘excuse me son’ do you know where I can find such and such. The only girl thing about her is the name so if you don’t know her name you wouldn’t think otherwise

Absolutely child abuse.
It's disgusting. And any doctor or health professional that does this should be struck off.

There was a mum at the school whose 4 year old boy went home for the summer holidays and came back as a girl. The mother went from posting about her darling Prince to 6 weeks later talking about her beautiful brave daughter. The school had a whole assembly about it.
The mother then started telling everyone about how she knew her son was born a girl at 6 months.

She's absolutely insane. I feel for that poor child.

These are both very interesting points and certainly provide food for thought.

Munchhausen’s

A medical scandal? Are you joking? Try being a medic even daring to talk about this. Branded as a TERF hounded harassed reported disciplinary. Its a scandal all right but you're blaming the wrong people

The mother went from posting about her darling Prince to 6 weeks later talking about her beautiful brave daughter. The school had a whole assembly about it.

The mother then started telling everyone about how she knew her son was born a girl at 6 months.

How does this poor child row back from that if it turns out he wants to be a boy after all?

It appalls me how little the adults have engaged their brains on this one.

Yes. It is the new munchausens. But whereas with Munchhausens, medical professionals and social services will step in and save the child, these poor children have no hope. Any intervention will be classed as transphobic and just add fuel to the fire. I’m so glad to see the tide is finally starting to turn on this travesty.

Try being a medic even daring to talk about this. Branded as a TERF hounded harassed reported disciplinary.

Quite. How the actual fuck did it get to this stage?

Of course its a scandal. None if it even makes sense. No one can define it. Remove stereotypes and wrong body stuff which even the " experts" say its nothing to do with them what do you even have?

Amd of kids know as toddlers why do they need " extra time " to think when puberty hits requiring drugs. Which is it? Do they know or don't they ?

Lies at every turn.its shocking how thick the nation has become
.incapable of what used to be a high school level of debate/critical thinking

There are 40,000 members of the detrans Reddit group - FORTY THOUSAND

It's absolutely child abuse. Mo, if adults want to transition,that's there choice but I don't believe any child has the capacity to fully assess the impact of hormone blockers, surgery etc. It's driven by parents.

If a child says the want to transition,the name changes or clothing etc. doesn't matter but anything that is a permanent physical change should be left until they have capacity to fully form consent as an adult.

I was a very tomboy like child, I had no older sisters or cousins, spent most of my childhood surrounded by boys and playing football. My periods started at 10 and very noticable breasts appeared overnight. I didn't want to wear a bra, didn't want hair growing anywhere new, I detested periods - I have endometriosis which really didn't help. I wanted to be a boy, it seemed easier and less hassle. I would fit in better. I never thought I was a boy, never wanted a penis. I just wanted puberty to stop as it happened so much earlier than most.

Thank God, I had sane parents who understand it was just an aversion to puberty and a desire to fit in, otherwise I would have been cared off to Tavistock (probably didn't exist in the 90s), been pumped full of hormones and recommended for surgery.

I'm not denying that there are real transgender cases. I think there absolutely are & it must be very difficult but it's a very important, life changing decision and not one that should be made by minors or on behalf of minors. Surely medical ethics should not allow this to happen.