To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

@Whowhatwherewhenwhynow i do kind of agree but I think, without using sexist harmful stereotypes, how would a child ‘show signs of being trans’? How would a very young child, unless they are fed ‘only boys can do that, only girls can do that’. Know that they were not their biological sex?

social transition is also harmful, as it is not neutral. How many children would be brave enough to say ‘I got it wrong I’m not trans’ in this current climate? They’ll have had attention, praise and unqualified affirmation. Look at the abuse detransitioners get from the trans community. Would any child willingly go through that?

SuziecGreen of mermaids took her child to Thailand for castration.

I totally agree with you @Whowhatwherewhenwhynow . There is complexity and nuance around this issue, which I think people like JKR also acknowledge, but is sometimes not appreciated on this site.

I think terms such as 'genuinely trans children' are problematic. Old studies show that 80% of children who have gender identity issues desist as adults if they're left alone. Given the exponential rise in kids being referred in the last couple of years and the tip from boys to girls through social contagion, I'd expect that number to be even higher now.

So I think we need to move away from that term altogether. Not liking your breasts because you hate being ogled by men is not dysphoria, it's a perfectly normal reaction to being treated as a sex object by men.

@Asdavaluesausage very good points. I agree.

I completely agree with this. Telling kids the truth that you can't change sex is going to lead to then taking advice and support from elsewhere and goodness knows where that will lead.

Then = them

YANBU but this is being heavily promoted by schools, nurseries, councils, the police, many companies and the political parties especially Labour and the Greens - i've never seen anything like it. I don't believe in 'trans', or 'trans' children. The only 'trans' people i've ever met in 50 years are older males who are sexually aroused by dressing as women and breaking boundaries like accessing women's spaces. How can Eddie Izzard become a girl just by saying so but children need drugs and surgeries?

‘Trans child’ = word salad
’Transgender’ = word salad
’Gender identity’ = word salad
’Attention seeking parent’ = valid concept

Word salad is actually a clinical term which you are using incorrectly

Meanings of words have no meanings in Butlerian ideology, lest we forget.

I have to just say, toddlers do not buy clothes. If a toddler is trans its because the parents did the transing.

A close friend of mine, who is gay, has told me that if someone could have told him as a child that he could change to being a girl he'd have done it. He loved dressing up, dolls, play kitchens, clip clopping about in mum's high heels etc.

He's a very happy man, firmly GC, and is rather horrified at what could have been if he was growing up now rather than in the 90s/00s.

what @Moonatics said. The parents are the ones influencing this. I hope they’ve explained to their son that when he gets older he will be expected to use male facilities and spaces.

Absolute madness. This should not be happening until they are old enough to make an informed decision eg 21 and even then, they should pay for it themselves. This is not something the NHS should be funding imo

Yes of course it’s a scandal but we’re up against a very rich (and insidious) lobby group who make a fortune out of putting children on a medical pathway for the rest of their lives.

social contagion driven by big tech companies and any adults affirming this are doing harm to that child.

Yes it's child abuse.

If you are uncomfortable with your boy playing with Barbie then you are a homophobe. You shouldn't have the right to chop of his junk and condemn him to a lifetime of drug dependency, infertility and to never experiencing orgasm.

Girls who are uncomfortable with how society sexualises them are normal. Stop chopping of their tits and plunging them into menopause before they even reach puberty.

Stop transingnthe gay away and leave autistic kids intact.
Safeguarding 101, do no harm.

I agree with everything you’re saying and get how easily this sort of thing could happen. I think messages get mixed up in children and for some reason the opposite sex appears to be less frightening.

My mother discussed traumatic birth stories with other adults in front of me aged 10, which is waaay inappropriate due to what was said. My brother was also treated very differently from me and at times, I wished I was a boy.

YANBU

It’ll eventually be a major medical scandal. Dr Hakeem is one of the most highly qualified medicos working in this area. He is in no way transphobic. He should be listened to.

To add I think the care for genuinely trans children needs to be not “you can change sex” but “you can never change your sex, but you can present how you want and let’s try to get you to a place where you are as happy and comfortable in your body and identity as possible”

Exactly. I still do not understand how we got to the point where propagating this lie is seen as the right thing to do.

YANBU at all.

@Asdavaluesausage, wow - I hadn't heard the Munschausens by proxy statistic. That's interesting. Do you have a link for that?

As a child, I desperately wanted to be a horse.
And to fly.
and, Ironically, to be a boy, as boys had better toys and freedoms.

But it was just a phase.

To harm children by this horrific Trans Ideology is terrifying.
Change clothing, sure, but don’t mutilate bodies or use hormones and blockers on children.

No one knows the long term effects of using these powerful drugs.

I don't 100% agree on this. The kids who are quite adamant that their biological sex doesn't match their gender identity from a young age, who are consistent and persistent about that, are probably the ones who are most likely to have genuine gender dysphoria which is not parentally or societally induced. I know someone in their sixties who experienced this and it never wavered at all for them.

So @Jourdain11 we have a few children who need help to accept they will never be the opposite sex. They should still be given therapy to accept that this means, not affirming treatment allowing them to believe they have actually changed sex.