To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

When my son was a lot smaller,he wanted to be a girl

we wanted his Willy to fall off,loved anything pink,princesses,dressing up,pushed his pram with pride and had long (ish) hair

i tell him crack on with it

until he started school-they went mental-calling me a bad mother,pushing mermaids on me,trying to put me in touch with people ‘who could help with his journey into becoming a girl’,they worried because all his mates where girls and telling me (in the next breath) that I was failing him by not forcing him to be a boy

i told them all to fuck off-this is who he was-he might grow out of it-he might not,but I would deal with it as and when it happened

school ramped up the pressure-I told them to go away

this went on all through primary-as soon as he started secondary,he grew out of it and is now a true lad (whatever that means)

he has a girlfriend,working through uni and is happy in his own skin

around this time another little lad started school (i think he was two or three years younger)

from the word go,his mother made it clear he was a girl and was to be treated like one

school bent over backwards-allowing this child to use the girls loo,calling him by his girl name and stamping any bullying out (rightly so)

I know girls where worried about a boy in their spaces-and where told to shut up and put up-this child’s mum wanted him to use the girls loo so that was that

last I heard,the poor kid was transitioning in a girl

i wonder how much was mum and how much was the little one

this brainwashing starts at a very young age

Ah always the accusation of transphobia as soon as someone mentions safeguarding. Why is that I wonder?

YANBU. It's child abuse. The numbers alone tell us this.

This is shocking. Well done you for standing up to the institutional bullying and harassment from the school.

I need help understanding this.

If a child displays the desire to be the opposite sex, isn't it invalidating to say that they can't be, when there are transgender people on this earth? Isn't that a lie?

Research has shown that the decision making part of the brain doesn't develop till we are 25. That would certainly backup the idea that children can be very easily confused, influenced and make bad decisions etc, so I completely agree that transformation should take place as late as possible. I don't know what age - I assume that procedures are taking place a puberty to improve the chance of it being successful?

But what do we do about those young people who feel they are the wrong gender and this persists beyond a 'phase'?

It's a genuine question because some of the vehemence on here frightens me, it seems very invalidating.

You really know nothing at 3, 7 and at 16! You are constantly learning but surely if you have sustained a desire to change (and I believe it's torture for some young people and their families) aren't we making it worse and isolating them but denying it's a possibility to change?

But what do we do about those young people who feel they are the wrong gender and this persists beyond a 'phase'?

Tell them they can wear what they want but they cannot change sex?

The bit I left out was the school nurse stopping me in the corridor and (loudly) saying
’WE need to do something about A-you don’t want him to grow up gay or a peodophile’ !!!!
as if a fucking pink dress and pink shoes at the age of 5 was going to do this
(I’m still fuming all these years later)

as it is,he’s neither-he’s just a man who is living his best life
but his older brother (who was a ‘normal’ lad growing up) came out last year-he’s gay and proud
i couldn’t be more proud of either of them

And I wanted to be a boy when I was 4, I changed my name for a week. I also was a dog for a while.

I love being a woman and don't want to change and have felt like this since about 8.

I don't know what I would have done if I had been 'encouraged' to change or told that I could be a boy'

Isn't it better to say we can be what we want but we live our childhood in the skin we choose but aren't allowed to make any physical changes til we are 18 at least? Isn't it better to say we can transition but we have to wait?

It's really tough. If a 6 year old says I want to be the opposite sex and they are made to stay as dresses as their sex, with their name and hate it and cry themselves to sleep - what do we do then? Therapy I guess is most important here? And lots of it?

Yanbu OP.

"But what do we do about those young people who feel they are the wrong gender and this persists beyond a 'phase'? "

If you read the new NHS guidelines that is allowed for. They are distinguishing between gender incoherence and dysphoria.

There needs to be an emphasis though that presenting as the opposite sex to relieve dysphoria does not mean you are actually that sex.

If a child displays the desire to be the opposite sex, isn't it invalidating to say that they can't be, when there are transgender people on this earth? Isn't that a lie?

No one changes sex. It's a biological impossibility. So yes it would be a lie to tell a child they can.

People can live as they choose of course and everyone should be supported in that.

Children should be reassured that it's fine to wear, present as they like, to engage in hobbies and interests they enjoy regardless of how they're 'gendered'.

Any thing further than that with regards to kids is really problematic ethically, morally, medically.

If a 6 year old says I want to be the opposite sex and they are made to stay as dresses as their sex, with their name and hate it and cry themselves to sleep - what do we do then? Therapy I guess is most important here? And lots of it?

What do we do? We tell the parents to stop being regressive idiots and allow their child to dress as he or she wants to.

incongruence I meant sorry not incoherence.

How can you be born in the wrong body? The female/male brain myth has been debunked repeatedly.

The male and female brain are different.

The chemical levels are different.

The hormones are also different and these are also regulated by the brain.

The majority of sex crimes (and all other crimes) are committed by males - this isn’t just coincidence.

There are many females who wouldn’t want males in the same changing room as them but don’t mind being in the same changing room as females.
If mens’ brains were the same as females then this wouldn’t even be an issue.
Men act differently to females.

The male and female brain are different

Biologically different yes. Which comes down to sex not gender.

That's awful.
Well done for standing your ground.

My son used to play dress up alot when he was little, he loved wearing Disney Princess dresses, I used to just let him get on with it.
My other son wanted to be a dinosaur and hated his name as he wanted to be called T-Rex.
Now they are older my boy is a 'typical' boy and my other son is a human and not a T-Rex.
No validation needed for them because like many things kids do in childhood it was just a phase.

It's absolutely bonkers what has been happening.

This whole thing is so regressive!

God that is absolutely shocking @Silverangels. Transing away the gay. Well done you on standing firm.

@helpyhelperton young children have no sense of who they are really except to know that they get gender stereotyped at a young age. Tiny children aren't feeling discomfort with their bodies, it's the narrow definition of what your interests should be that some dislike.

Most of them grow out of it like @Silverangels son has if they're left ot their own devices.

Socially transitioning is often a one way street to life long medication and sterility. It's very difficult to turn round and admit you made a mistake.

😁took them long enough!

Do you believe that disabled people might have been born in the wrong body?

Of course.

That’s where the term disabled comes from.

We haven’t evolved to be born disabled.
Something went wrong usually in the mitosis or meiosis division.

Just like there are people born both sexes.

Or albino people who have white skin but are black.
These people are white but inside identify as black.
But something went wrong and their physical body doesn’t match their brain/mind/soul.

But something went wrong and their physical body doesn’t match their brain/mind/soul.

What are you actually saying here? That souls/minds/brains are racially categorised? Are there disabled/non disabled souls? How does that work?

There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.

Disabled people are not born in the wrong body. They have a body that doesn't work properly, aka Disabled. My cousins body is her body. It doesn't work, but it's hers.

People are not born "both sexes" . They might have a DSD but are still biologically male or female.

I don't know enough about albinism to comment but am off to Google.

The word transphobia has lost its meaning now.

Just like there are people born both sexes.

No one is born both sexes. Every single human body is born for the purpose of producing large gametes (eggs) or small gametes (sperm).

No one produces both. No one produces something different.

While there are disorders that interrupt that, that's not being born 'both sexes'.

the scientific illiteracy in evidence here is frightening