To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

This is scary@MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel

YANBU

Looking at that graph, 150 kids of 8 and under were referred in the last year. This is not child driven, it's parent driven. Social services need to be involved and I hope that the new proposed nhs guidelines go through.

This is not child driven, it’s parent driven.

Exactly this!

These kids are just being themselves.

Yet somehow that means that a boy playing with a doll must have gender issues and be forced to wear a dress, wig and called a girls name.

It’s very sad that many of these parents have lost a child and is trying to recreate that child in the sibling that is alive but that just proves that this is not normal behaviour and places like this need to recognise that these parents need help.

Clever marketing from powerful misogynists.

My Dd has Autism (high level DLA)
I got a phone call from School a few months ago.
I was informed that Alex had said that he would like his name changed on the Records. As Alex was 15 (just, & with the Autism & selective Mutism is 'younger') I said that we'd chat about it. I was told 'NO, this is to inform you not ask permission. Alex has disclosed they are Trans. Do you not support them in that'.
I explained that my child was a young 15 due to their Autism & we would talk at home. that they had my full support in working out who they were in the world. But that was a slow process. To my child I went over this in more detail explaining that I did not support binding / drugs / surgery on a young healthy developing body. That if they still felt that way when older they'd have my support. It seems that everyone in their friendship group was 'feeling Trans' that month. I know my child is gay. They are working out the rest of it. And that's okay.
The idea of young children being abused in this way for adult attention / bandwagon jumping is horrible. A person is given one (hopefully healthy) body & mind. That should only be 'tampered with' with great caution & with consent.
A CHILD CANNOT GIVE CONSENT. IT IS ABUSE.

I do believe that you can be born in the wrong body (we know meiosis isn’t always perfect).

But from what I’ve heard from genuine people is that it’s 1) stereotypes that an issue and 2) that their bodies don’t match their brains.

How can a 3 year old be disgusted by their breasts when they don’t even have any.

Most 3 year olds wouldn’t even know or care that they have a vagina whilst the boy sat next to them has a penis.

And they definitely wouldn’t care that they want to play with a car whilst the boy next to them plays with a doll.

I have taught my child that gender stereotypes are nonsense and that she can wear, play or have a career in whatever she wants.

If when she is an adult she believes she is trans then I’ll be supportive but there is no way I would ever encourage her to transition at a young age.

One of her friends transitioned in primary school.
I’m sure the parents did what they thought was best but this poor kid has been bullied relentlessly and has had to move to at least 4 different schools.

As parents we need to encourage our children to be ok and confident with who they are.
Teaching a child at a young age that they can just completely change themselves when they’re not happy is setting them up to fail, especially when the teenage hormones hit and they all feel insecure.

"I do believe that you can be born in the wrong body"

But how?

The idea of it relies on their being some sort of wardrobe full of bodies, and a trunk full of souls pre-conception. This just isn't the case.

We are our bodies.

How can you be born in the wrong body? The female/male brain myth has been debunked repeatedly. There are no trans children. Thee are children who have been brainwashed into believing that if they do not fit narrow stereotypes they are the opposite sex.

No one is born in the wrong body. Think about what you're actually saying, it's akin to believing in a soul.

Do you believe that disabled people might have been born in the wrong body?

Agree with @ChagSameachDoreen

It’s impossible to “be born in the wrong body”. Any adult who promotes this nonsense to children is either very thick or is refusing to see the serious issues at stake.

We are our bodies.

Exactly. I don't get that either. There isn't another body.

I think that the vast majority of us have experienced discomfort with their bodies at various stages of our lives, but suggesting bodies are 'wrong' is such a leap.

When I was at secondary school so 20+ years ago, we had a girl who would probably have been pushed to transition now
She used a nickname, wore the boys uniform, had a typically male haircut and even my mum was convinced she was male (she wasn't)

We referred to her by her nickname instead of she/her, everyone accepted her, and there was no question of surgery or anything, it was just who/how she was. Sometimes she hung out with us, sometimes played football and there was no bullying
That to me is how it should be, you wear whatever you want, cut or grow your hair, wear makeup, it's fine. But she used the girls toilets and changed with us for PE (in a cubicle)

Thank God people are finally waking up to this and we will hopefully finally have a sensible position on this from the NHS. It's an absolute scandal. How many children have been harmed by this?

Mermaids pushed and celebrated the idea four year old children could be trans.

Suddenly MN believes the Daily Mail when it says that someone says someone says it happened 🙄 Complete with faux "how many have been harmed?" questions designed to create scandal and panic.
But no transphobia here, no siree.

I don't think it's a scandal. It's a scandal when anyone - child or adult - isn't allowed to have the medical treatment they need.

Ha ha, where have you been? Posters on mumsnet have been trying to raise awareness of this scandal for years and years, way before the daily Mail took it up.

And GTF with the transphobia accusations, it really does not wash anymore. Everyone is waking up to this.

I don't think it's a scandal. It's a scandal when anyone - child or adult - isn't allowed to have the medical treatment they need.

Why would you think that only affirmative approaches and pushing children down a road of medicalisation and surgery is the 'treatment they need'?

Serious question, I'd really like to hear your response.

You really think every single one of the 4000% rise in females being referred is really trans and needs medicalisation and surgery? Or perhaps there's something else underlying it? Perhaps as is now finally being proposed the best treatment is more focused on mental health and underlying issues.

They’re heeeeeeerrrreeeee 😂😂😂

YANBU, a massive fallout from this is in the pipeline.Just hope the internet doesn’t forget the people who pushed and supported this agenda so they get their comeuppance.

Indeed, like autistic girls with a history of self harm and eating disorders need to have some therapy to find out why they suddenly think they are born in the wrong body you mean? And they aren't getting it and instead are being sterilised and having their breasts cut off?
I agree with you.

Of course it's child abuse. Anyone that pushes this nonsense is either extremely stupid (wrong body people) or just doesn't care about children and probably gains something from the medicalisation and mutilation of children.

Great. So you agree that it is a scandal that the woman who requested female only care at hospital and was refused.

Something is pushing this sinister ideology across our institutions, hmmm what could the motive for this possibly be?

So are you saying that this hasn't happened and if it had, it would be bad?