To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

And at age three, according to a leading psychiatrist on the record, it’s also an expression of a parent’s mental state / prejudices.

But we’ve not been allowed to say that before.

Wasn’t Susie Greens child ‘trashed’ because he liked to play with girls toys and the father thought he might be gay, as as a massive homophobe withdrawal prefer a trans child to a gay one. She referenced this in her TED talk.

Transed. I’m sorry. Autocorrect strikes again

In our primary we had a child transition from Michael to Michelle (not their real names) and it struck me as insane as the parent was discussing their child choosing to transition as we stood in the queue to meet Santa which this "girl" very much believed in. She's the same year as my son, so would have been 6yo. The kids did just accept that Michael left for the summer hols as a boy and came back as a girl, but I just remember being stunned.

They just started secondary this year and she is still Michelle, but wears the "boys" uniform. Cant blame them, the girls uniform is impractible in winter.

DD and the rest of the kids are pretty unphased by it. She remembers when he was a boy and says 'She's not really a girl, she just wants to be' I think she wouldn't say this at school but hate the idea that she'd probably be in trouble if she did.

YANBU. Modern day child abuse. Well done to medical professionals speaking out.

ive literally just watched this which sums up everything that is wrong with what is happening right now

CONGRATULATIONS

This doctor is trying to cover his arse. I mean he's right of course but he worked there for 12 years so he obviously didn't have a problem with it at the time, he's only spoken up now Tavi is being investigated and closed.

Meanwhile, one of DD's old nursery friends, who went to a different school, is a boy who loves to put on princess dresses for parties, plays with dolls and always hangs out with the girls. His parents have always been more than happy to let him do what he wants in this regard. They are clear that he is a boy though and so is he. This is how I would handle it.

Indeed @RFPO77 but at least he is speaking out. I think people are waking up to what this dangerous ideology has done to children, which is good. This and the draft guidelines issued by the NHS will hopefully bring this whole sorry debacle to an end. And I hope everyone who supported this is prosecuted.

Well not necessarily. We know that this has taken off massively over the past few years - rise of 4400%, social contagion etc, girls by far outnumbering boys - treatment procedures were probably considered fit for purpose for the minimal numbers of likely genuinely dysphoric children coming through prior to the past few years.

This video sums it up in a nutshell.

It's sickening. How can anyone justify it anymore?

I disagree that it has no impact on other children. They are being forced to lie that this kid has changed sex. Boys cannot become girls and it's incredibly confusing for children to be told they must join in with this lie from all the adults involved. He is a boy in a girl's uniform.

I agree. I teach my son that you cannot change your sex. People can dress up in whatever they want, but biological sex does not change.

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NHS England published draft specifications for specialist services for children with gender dysphoria, following Cass interim review yesterday. V positive development & a move away from unevidenced affirmative model pushed by Mermaids. Thread follows:

That's not true and unfair. He's been speaking up against this for years.

www.transgendertrend.com/interview-az-hakeem/

Yanbu- it’s the new munchausens.

It should be illegal to prescribe puberty blockers or tell a child they’re born in the wrong body, or any of the other crap these snake oil salesmen pedal.

My big fear now is just how much Labour don’t understand this. They’re bound to get in now, and will introduce self ID in all but name.

He left in 2012 just as this started to ramp up.

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This is terrifying - as is Scotland with Sturgeon and Green Party Harvie pushing it at children too.
What can we do? Starmer appeared at a Pink News conference recently - he's pushing it to the max.

It's children ffs!!!!

Thanks very much for that link @Clymene I also wondered why this doctor had worked in the sevice for so long if he was critical, but seems like he is actually a hero in the field!

I think one of the problems In allowing social transition for very young children is that this may work in a fashion in primary schools, but when these children hit secondary school, there will be problems. Are schools supposed to,allow mixed sex changing and PE, or do they have to enforce single sex changing, which would possibly be upsetting for these children, especially if they have been told by everyone that they truly have become the opposite sex.
Surely It would be kinder when presented with a child who says they are the opposite sex is to correct them gently. A lot of this gender dysphoria at that age is based on stereotypes, so as a society, if we get rid of gendered stereotypes, surely this will only benefit children. if a girl says she is a boy because she likes certain toys or activities, then that says more about society than about that child.

I agree.
I think for very young children who are, or parents saying are, showing signs of being trans or questioning their gender there should be a open hands off approach. Those children can make decisions about surgery/hormones once they are adults and As they become older children they can lead their transition/or not themselves. I don’t think we should be affirming or denying anything. Just confirming what sec they are but letting them know that their choice in how they dress/act/present is up to them.

I think there is a very dangerous grey area between children (I presume a very small proportion) who are genuinely transgender and will go on to live as a transgender person for their whole lives and children who are, for whatever reason, not comfortable with their body or their sex for other reasons (eg they don’t fit stereo type of a girl etc). I think over focus on affirmation could harm the second group.

I think there needs to be much more exploration into why a child feels uncomfortable as their own sex before anything is done re transition. My daughter told me she wanted to be a boy. After chatting about it she said it was because she didn’t want to have a baby because it will hurt.

To add I think the care for genuinely trans children needs to be not “you can change sex” but “you can never change your sex, but you can present how you want and let’s try to get you to a place where you are as happy and comfortable in your body and identity as possible”. People can’t change sex and I worry that pretending that is possible is harmful as it sets very high expectations.

Of course it's parent driven. The toddler might have like feminine clothes but telling them that means they must be a girl is coming from the parents. We should be telling children they can wear or play with whatever they want but they will always be the sex they were born. And that should be fine. We are creating unhealthy children
It blows my mind that a mother who took her child abroad for FGM would be arrested but a mother can irreversibly stunt development with puberty blockers and have the genitals operated on and is a hero
I dare not use the C word which it is or I'll likely be deleted

YANBU - it’s child abuse, the whole situation is scandalous!!