Can anyone explain to me, please, why people like Suella Braverman

[MrsSkylerWhite]

make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?
Makes no sense to me, at all 🤷‍♀️
Of course, the obvious answer is that their parents arrived into the UK via legal routes.
Many of those legal routes no longer exist (very deliberately) and this Government (if it can be called such) seems to be doing it’s level best to override the asylum system (as Conservative governments have been for some years).
I welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is thanks to it. Has been for millennia.

I have to say....

I LOATHE everything Braverman does and stands for. I think she's at best extremely naive and at worst cynically exploiting racism and xenophobia. I think her policies are frighteningly close to some of the things that Britain flirted with in the 1930s. I couldn't oppose her and her tactics more.

But I do think she is charismatic and I can understand why, if you're of a similar mindset, she is a plausible and attractive politician.

I was listening to her podcast interview with Nick Robinsons recently and I went into expecting it to confirm my dislike of her but I was surprised how well she handled herself.

That doesn't take away from how much I dislike her ideology and politics. But I think she is more able politician than people give her credit for and I can see why, if you are of a right wing bent, you might feel drawn to her.

I'm not in the UK and this is what I was wondering so thanks for answering. So many people are saying using refugees/asylum seekers and immigrants interchangeably when it's not the same is it? I have lots of family that are immigrants in Aus for example, you would never say they are refugees. They are 2 different things and I don't think that lumping them into one helps anybody.

@Thepeopleversuswork yes, she is charismatic, intelligent and attractive. That's what makes her so dangerous. As was Priti Patel. As is Rishi Sunak.

her supporters would have an ugly shock when they notice how many Rwandans we are admitting under the deal with them

We have sent more Home Secretaries to Rwanda than asylum seekers

That's straight out of the Braverman playbook. If you really think that MN is full of people accessing private medical care, you are really quite deluded. Very few people on here or generally within Labour are actually in favour of uncontrolled immigration, they tend to want sensible controls, an efficient system that doesn't leave people in hostels whilst waiting years for their immigration applications to be processed, and a government that honours its treaty obligations to refugees.

The problem with all this is that Braverman and people who copy her don't join the dots. One of the main reasons we struggle to get medical help is lack of staff at all levels following Brexit. An excellent way to remedy that would be to process asylum claims quickly so that genuine refugees can start working, paying rent, paying tax and generally contributing to our society and economy. Braverman has never yet come close to addressing this issue, instead choosing to waste her time posturing around Rwanda and barges. She really is utterly appalling at her job.

Her former colleagues in the legal profession don't describe her as intelligent.

People relate different ways to different people.

A lot of people liked, and believed in, Boris Johnson.🙄

Oh, don't they? No idea what they have to say.

My dh is also very much on the side that lots of the migrants are not actually refugeees because the real poor ones in danger had no money to get here and are stuck in camps nearby. He is from ME

I totally agree with him. I think we should be processing people from these camps who are genuine asylum seekers.
The issue with people who travel here on boats etc is that a lot (I don’t know the %) are economic migrants. I also think there should be a way for these people to work and eventually get citizenship here (based on job need etc) but they aren’t asylum seekers.

If multiculturalism has failed , surely she should be setting a good example by tripping off to Heathrow back to South Asia. At the same time can we please deport Rees Mogg back to Wales preferably to the darkest depths within the remotest mountain...

Oh and I don’t particularly like SB (although I don’t know her) but I don’t think it’s particularly difficult to fathom her stance

1. it’s politics and reducing immigration is popular
2. she differentiates herself from the asylum seekers/economic migrants of today and feels like everything her and her family gained she earned.

it is undeniable that she gets more abuse because she is a women of colour and the child of immigrants.

On Twitter, this is being presented by some as " We need a multiracial society. Not a multiculture one. Everyone should accept British culture before moving here."

As an immigrant myself, I do not know how I feel about that. Makes me uneasy. Even though I believe in secular values myself ( even before I moved to the UK).

She makes racist white people feel better about themselves because a brown skinned person says what they think

There are often misconceptions from white people that all people with darker skin are necessarily more liberal or left wing - anyone can be a racist right wing nutter, like our dear Sue-Ellen

it is undeniable that she gets more abuse because she is a women of colour and the child of immigrants.

Who was it that Spitting Image made into a slug ?

Furthermore @hattie43 a lot of those people weren't 'the poor' before the Tories came along.

Eg 1in 4 children now grows up in poverty, it was 1 in 5 when the Tories took over. That's not the fault of immigrants.

And I do wish people would stop saying 'liberal elite' when most of the people using the term would be in the liberal elite if such a thing existed. What does it mean - people with university degrees?

it is undeniable that she gets more abuse because she is a women of colour and the child of immigrants.

True especially the ‘ugly’ remarks. Women don’t owe it to anyone to look a certain way.

“Brown Tories are the worst”?!? This is extremely offensive. I remember reading an interview with the head of the Michaela schools where she said that she got a huge amount of abuse for being a black woman who is a Tory. You may not like her politics but she is not required to be left wing just because she is not white.

She is the Home Secretary. Politically, the Home Secretary (whoever it is) is expected to be tough on crime, illegal immigration and terrorism otherwise they make the government look weak. Whether this particular Home Secretary goes too far is another matter.

I find @CruCru that rabblerousing about the children of "foreign born parents" is worse than anything other Tories say, so I will stand by that.

You all realise she is saying (at point literally to a word) what Sweden, the country many on here praise, said for last year or two.
That it (multiculturalism/integration) failed and created parallel societies and it's causing issues.

I can't remember the last time I liked any politician tbf but I certainly don't envy her her job. When we have 50,000 people arriving in small boats every year we have a big problem whatever way you look at it. What do you do with 50,000 people that literally have nothing?

Answers on a postcard.

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Unfortunately we are conditioned to judge decisive women who act without regard to emotional factors, much more negatively than we do men.

I don't love all her policies (or her political party). But she has a brief, we all know this, to reduce immigration. Whether or not reduction of immigration is the right thing is a separate, emotionally charged question. The fact remains that the government for whom she works has a clear objective of reducing immigration. She is doing her job to achieve this - which means deterring illegal routes, and minimising the scope for abuse of legitimate routes like asylum claims.

If she was male we'd probably regard her as decisive and pragmatic.

No, I wouldn't regard her as decisive and pragmatic if she were a man. But I suppose I am coming at it differently.

Yes, I'm not sure anyone in this whole debate has managed to define 'British culture'.
See also 'British values'.

Well, she’s really outdone herself now, with her racist, homophobic and misogynistic bullshit in the US. Clearly aimed at a particular audience back home.
Anyone supporting this horrible, hate-driven rhetoric needs to take a long, hard look at themselves.
Donald Trump must think she’s real peachy.