Can anyone explain to me, please, why people like Suella Braverman

[MrsSkylerWhite]

make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?
Makes no sense to me, at all 🤷‍♀️
Of course, the obvious answer is that their parents arrived into the UK via legal routes.
Many of those legal routes no longer exist (very deliberately) and this Government (if it can be called such) seems to be doing it’s level best to override the asylum system (as Conservative governments have been for some years).
I welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is thanks to it. Has been for millennia.

Immigration hasn't destroyed the country over the hundreds of years it has been going on, and indeed it has been one of its greatest strengths. If you seriously believe that it is immigrants who may make the country not a good place to live in, you are deluded. Yes, some immigrants take part in criminal activity, but the vast majority of crime in the UK is committed by people who are not immigrants. And if you have had any dealings with the NHS or the care system over recent years, you cannot fail to have become all too aware of how dependant they are on immigration in order to function at all.

What are that values which are under thread?

Anything that speeds the demise of your values as demonstrated here - vicious, small-minded, parochial, mean and suspicious - gets my vote.

• There's no such thing as coming illegally if you're seeking asylum.

• Why not crack down on the people doing the exploiting rather than blame those being exploited? And these problems would be much less if people seeking asylum were permitted to work legally as soon as they arrived, as is the case in other countries.

So if you do not believe in democracy, freedom under the law, individual liberty, trial by jury, personal property and common law and many other freedoms that have been won for us over the last 1000 years then bring it on. I’m sure you will enjoy living in the dictatorship that follows the demise of these values.

What are "our values"?

I'm white British and don't feel that my values are under threat from immigration at all.

Mind you, in the current climate, I think it's not all that good a place to live, especially if you're poor or ill.

And which of these "values" are at risk because of immigration?

I'm not aware of any threats to the things you've listed arising because of immigration. I was concerned about the introduction of voter ID, but on the basis of the recent council elections, it doesn't seem to have made a significant difference, and it's introduction was down to the government, not immigrants.

Most of what you list are very recent & not over 1000 years, our modern way of life - equality, democracy, house ownership, employment, right to protest, universal healthcare and education are approx 100 years old or far less.

The people destroying these, is the Tory govt we have had in for the last 13 years.

So don't really know what point you are trying to make?

pull up the ladder, I'm alright, Jack

I suggest you read a bit of history.

Of course you are not aware of it because you do not value what we have. Will you be sorry when they are gone? I don't know. But one thing is sure and that is when everything that makes us British is destroyed there will be no going back. It will be lost for ever.

Most don't, do they? Even many in her own party find her views abhorrent and asked Baroness Warsi to intervene (please forgive me if the spelling's wrong).

• "Why not crack down on the people doing the exploiting rather than blame those being exploited? And these problems would be much less if people seeking asylum were permitted to work legally as soon as they arrived, as is the case in other countries."

If you would actually listen with an open mind to what Suella Braverman is trying to do, you would realise that her aim is to break the business model of the people smugglers.

It’s all about politics. Braverman speaks for and to millions of ordinary Tory voters, most of whom are over 50, live in rural or suburban areas, and are very angry indeed about decades of uncontrolled mass immigration. These people voted overwhelmingly for Brexit because they wanted much lower immigration and the current situation isn’t what they believed they were voting for.

Being Asian herself, Braverman is able to get away with expressing views about immigration which would see a white Tory politician torn apart by accusations of racism in the mainstream media.

I’m not sure she is ‘liked’ as Brexit voters likely still want to see results

But they are a group of voters that both parties try to get

Can you tell me what real life values we have from 1000 years ago?

The English feudal system only ended less than 400 years ago, capital punishment in the 1960s, universal education 150years ago, universal healthcare in the late 1940s.

As for democracy... well, M/C men were first given a vote in 1832.... with women getting a vote just over 100 years ago.

Behind the times, most brexitiers i know who were very active on social media back in 2016, are very silent on the matter now, with more than one or two denying they every voted for it.

Probably need to wait until after the next GE before either party tell us their true thoughts on leaving the EU and getting a new deal done.

This is MN. No one, absolutely no one here voted Brexit, ever voted Tory, wants immigration to be lower and reads the daily mail (despite every second thread being quoted from the mail, disingenuously named daily fail to hide the fact that they are avid mail readers).

This is despite the fact that 17 million people voted for a Brexit, 13 million people voted Tory in the 2019, immigration is the issue that wins or loses elections, second only to the economy and the mail has the largest online readership in the country.

But hey, this is MN. Don’t expect any representation from the voting majority here. Only the special, righteous, self congratulatory, self appointed bastions of morality frequently these pages.

It doesn’t really matter if posters know someone on SM who is quiet, it’s who Labour and Cons are going for at GE that counts

They may have worked out a particular group of voters can swing results more, or that immigration is still a topic that pushes people to vote a certain way.

If the polls did show there was a huge swing they could switch before the GE and get votes off the back of it. So either they are missing the shift altogether or it’s not looking like a conversion to higher votes.

I think people love the way she thinks she's above the law, is a liar, and is so racist and cold that she is desperate to pack off asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Cherry on top, the years she spent working with Rwandan government lawyers before she came up with that policy but never mentioned it to anyone. More great cheating and lying!

The only problem is that most of us plebs don't appreciate lying cheating and lazy racist dog whistling. But for the ones that do, she's a right peach.

Its not just folk i know, its what the polling shows too, even Farage says Brexit has failed and controlling immigration has nowt to do with EU membership as we will soon see with record numbers coming into the UK 3 years after we officially left.

then again some people will create argument where none exist.

It’s not my issue I’d much prefer the GE tackled it as it’s delaying things.

But one for the parties who are deciding. The polls may show it but for whatever reason they are not reflecting that at this GE.

Best thing to do is write to your party and fill their inboxes. Rather than get all wound up here.

It’s not my decision that they delay. I’d prefer the opposite.

Er my name is Sunny thanks. I can see you getting more wound up and personal which is a shame and not unusual for you.

Try not to take my posts personally it’s just what the parties are deciding

Not my choice. Like I say I’d prefer it was tackled

Posters are better off venting to MPs than going on the mn attack

I can’t change it from here