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Can anyone explain to me, please, why people like Suella Braverman

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MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2022 22:11

make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?
Makes no sense to me, at all 🤷‍♀️
Of course, the obvious answer is that their parents arrived into the UK via legal routes.
Many of those legal routes no longer exist (very deliberately) and this Government (if it can be called such) seems to be doing it’s level best to override the asylum system (as Conservative governments have been for some years).
I welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is thanks to it. Has been for millennia.

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Gymrabbit · 20/10/2022 10:52

mavismorpoth

Because many people on mumsnet do not use correct punctuation or spelling.

and no it’s not practise actually. It’s being used as a noun in that sentence not a verb.

Gymrabbit · 20/10/2022 10:54

BonnesVacances

I see. You’re one of the ‘Everyone who thinks immigration should be restricted is basically Hitler’ types.
How embarrassing for you.

Applesandcarrots · 20/10/2022 10:55

Lol. English is not my native language and even I got that it's countinous sentence not a question of why people like her😂

Q2C4 · 20/10/2022 10:57

A close relative of mine worked at the Home Office overseeing payments to illegal immigrants. That, and a daily diet of reading the Daily Mail, has allowed him to form the view that immigration is the source of all evil in this country (low wages, sky high house prices, not enough doctors / dentists / school places etc). It does not matter how many times you run the economic arguments for migration, or how many articles from Brexit supporters arguing that the UK needs more immigration to support growth you show him - he just doesn't like foreigners. He therefore likes Patel & Braverman's hard line stance.

mavismorpoth · 20/10/2022 10:59

Gymrabbit · 20/10/2022 10:52

mavismorpoth

Because many people on mumsnet do not use correct punctuation or spelling.

and no it’s not practise actually. It’s being used as a noun in that sentence not a verb.

This one did though.

Gymrabbit · 20/10/2022 11:00

‘A close relative of mine worked at the Home Office overseeing payments to illegal immigrants.’

so someone who actually deals with the issues that immigration can cause is apparently ill informed and yet guardian readers who will often never have actually met a recent immigrant are not.

Just about sums up the attitude of mumsnet really.

mavismorpoth · 20/10/2022 11:01

Applesandcarrots · 20/10/2022 10:55

Lol. English is not my native language and even I got that it's countinous sentence not a question of why people like her😂

Because it's pretty obvious.

So many people on here seem to not understand that there are different types of immigration. Very few people have a problem with people coming to live and work here from different countries.

there are also a few people who have an issue with people seeking asylum.

But coming here illegally, on a boat, running off into the country undocumented and living in multiple occupancy homes being exploited, used for work with low wages, oftentimes committing crimes which are unsolvable due to the person being untraceable - only a fool or an anarchist would take no issue with this.

AppleKatie · 20/10/2022 11:09

Someone upthread has said she firmly believes what she says.

I assume the opposite, she doesn’t believe in what she says at all. She does believe in power and her actions are simply in the desperate pursuit of it.

Publicly selling your own family history down the river is not beneath her. Although if the opposite was likely to result in power shed do that too.

Scurryfunge12 · 20/10/2022 11:48

Q2C4 · 20/10/2022 10:57

A close relative of mine worked at the Home Office overseeing payments to illegal immigrants. That, and a daily diet of reading the Daily Mail, has allowed him to form the view that immigration is the source of all evil in this country (low wages, sky high house prices, not enough doctors / dentists / school places etc). It does not matter how many times you run the economic arguments for migration, or how many articles from Brexit supporters arguing that the UK needs more immigration to support growth you show him - he just doesn't like foreigners. He therefore likes Patel & Braverman's hard line stance.

‘’Illegal’’ immigrants do not get payments. That’s the point, they are illegal, their presence in the country is not known and as such there is no entitlement to any money. Assylum seekers aren’t illegal.

That really irks me.

BonnesVacances · 20/10/2022 12:24

Gymrabbit · 20/10/2022 10:54

BonnesVacances

I see. You’re one of the ‘Everyone who thinks immigration should be restricted is basically Hitler’ types.
How embarrassing for you.

No. My comment was that Braverman and Patel dog whistle to the far right wing racists. The only person who should be embarrassed is those who don't read posts properly and jump to their own conclusions.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 20/10/2022 15:30

Thanks everyone for such varied response. I still can’t fathom why some people seem to want to “pull the ladder up behind them” as a PP succinctly put it: I’d have hoped they in turn would want to help others in similar situations. I’ve been told I’m naive by some posters. Perhaps I am 🤷‍♀️
Plenty of food for thought , though.

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Cruisebabe1 · 20/10/2022 15:48

Hobbesmanc · 19/10/2022 22:23

She's barking mad. And thoroughly unpleasant. Although like Pritti Patel and Diane Abbott I think she gets more hate because she's a woman of colour. There's lots of nasty right wing white males who escape the same level of (deserved) vitriol.

What?!?!?!

LaGioconda · 27/10/2022 15:39

Quitelikeit · 19/10/2022 22:29

I don’t actually know her so I couldn’t comment either way!!

why attack her? Has she done something to you personally

Her wish to take us out of the ECHR certainly has the potential to harm all of us.

LaGioconda · 27/10/2022 15:44

Gymrabbit · 20/10/2022 11:00

‘A close relative of mine worked at the Home Office overseeing payments to illegal immigrants.’

so someone who actually deals with the issues that immigration can cause is apparently ill informed and yet guardian readers who will often never have actually met a recent immigrant are not.

Just about sums up the attitude of mumsnet really.

Well, yes, he's very obvious ill informed if he claims to work at the Home Office making payments to illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants don't get any payments, the clue's in the word "illegal", and the Home Office doesn't administer benefits. Self-evidently, if they tried to claim anything, not only would they receive nothing but they would have effectively shopped themselves to the authorities and could expect to be locked up and deported pretty quickly.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your prejudices, will you.

MissyB1 · 27/10/2022 15:49

ohfook · 20/10/2022 10:33

Because she plays on the fears of people who are scared through little shitty hints.

Guardian reading wokeratti- well she represents all her constituents including the guardian readers and all this nonsense with the word woke I fucking hate it. My understanding was the word woke meant aware of social injustice - that's surely a good thing to be aware of unjust behaviour and move towards change yet we've managed to turn it into an insult to provoke a crappy little culture war so everyone can be distracted from the absolute shit show our country is.

It's always been the same with the tories get people scared of those pushing for change - make working class people turn against immigrants so they can fight over the crumbs while the tories eat the cake. Make people fear gay people during the aids crisis so they don't have to invest any of their precious money in effective health care, Make people fear the Irish in the 80s and 90s, make people fear transgender people now so women and trans women can scrap over access to safe spaces and nobody needs to actually address why the spaces are unsafe in the first place. Hitler knew full well that people can unite together in hate and fear against a common 'enemy' and politicians have been using similar tactics ever since.

Also, I'm not disputing how hard Suella and other Tory politicians from minority backgrounds have worked to get into their position, but the conservatives do seem to have a nasty habit of putting their black and brown politicians at the forefront of some of their more controversial policies and letting them take the flack for it.

Oh yes this 100%. This is basically what Dh and I were saying last night.

nomcachange · 24/11/2022 21:19

I don’t think it’s any more complex than why a child of English nationals would feel xenophobic. It’s not rational. I have had first generation immigrant taxi drivers telling me there’s too many immigrants in the UK now and we need to put a stop to it before we’re overrun (ie through Brexit, cue slow clap).

GrannyRose15 · 22/05/2023 20:59

Immigration is a curse that will destroy this country. It’s all very well inviting a few people who will accept our values and live happily along side us but the numbers involved now mean that our values are under threat. What I can’t understand is why people want to come here and live in a free country and then start making demands that will change the ethos of the country. Surely if they want to come here because we are a good place to live then it is beholden on us to ensure it is exactly that- a good place to live. Too many immigrants make that impossible.

lljkk · 22/05/2023 21:16

What I can’t understand is why people want to come here and live in a free country and then start making demands that will change the ethos of the country.

You mean like Braverman, right? Who wants to undermine cultural flexibility, economic agility with compassion for the less advantaged, tolerance for difference, and other traditional One Nation Tory values. Agree, that's a terrible shame.

lollipoprainbow · 22/05/2023 21:17

GrannyRose15 · 22/05/2023 20:59

Immigration is a curse that will destroy this country. It’s all very well inviting a few people who will accept our values and live happily along side us but the numbers involved now mean that our values are under threat. What I can’t understand is why people want to come here and live in a free country and then start making demands that will change the ethos of the country. Surely if they want to come here because we are a good place to live then it is beholden on us to ensure it is exactly that- a good place to live. Too many immigrants make that impossible.

Well said

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MrsSkylerWhite · 23/05/2023 09:20

GrannyRose15 · Yesterday 20:59

Immigration is a curse that will destroy this country. It’s all very well inviting a few people who will accept our values and live happily along side us but the numbers involved now mean that our values are under threat. What I can’t understand is why people want to come here and live in a free country and then start making demands that will change the ethos of the country. Surely if they want to come here because we are a good place to live then it is beholden on us to ensure it is exactly that- a good place to live. Too many immigrants make that impossible.”

This country as it is today was founded on immigration, with wave after wave going back centuries. Immigrants made the country what it is today. It’s an evolving process, surely? Always has been.

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GeriKellmansUpdo · 23/05/2023 09:21

She's a brown white nationalist. There are a lot of those in Sunak's cabinet.

Alexandra2001 · 23/05/2023 19:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2022 22:11

make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?
Makes no sense to me, at all 🤷‍♀️
Of course, the obvious answer is that their parents arrived into the UK via legal routes.
Many of those legal routes no longer exist (very deliberately) and this Government (if it can be called such) seems to be doing it’s level best to override the asylum system (as Conservative governments have been for some years).
I welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is thanks to it. Has been for millennia.

Braverman went to University in Paris, under the EU's Erasmus scheme, the very scheme and EU she actively made sure none of our kids (and country) will ever be able to take advantage of again.

She is the worst kind of politician.. do as i say, not what i do.

lollipoprainbow · 23/05/2023 20:28

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/05/2023 09:20

GrannyRose15 · Yesterday 20:59

Immigration is a curse that will destroy this country. It’s all very well inviting a few people who will accept our values and live happily along side us but the numbers involved now mean that our values are under threat. What I can’t understand is why people want to come here and live in a free country and then start making demands that will change the ethos of the country. Surely if they want to come here because we are a good place to live then it is beholden on us to ensure it is exactly that- a good place to live. Too many immigrants make that impossible.”

This country as it is today was founded on immigration, with wave after wave going back centuries. Immigrants made the country what it is today. It’s an evolving process, surely? Always has been.

Stop living in cloud cuckoo land.

LlynTegid · 23/05/2023 20:58

If you want to reduce immigration, then having a competent Home Secretary and processing of claims for asylum in days/weeks not years are prerequisites.

So that rules out Suella Braverman.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 24/05/2023 09:36

lollipoprainbow · Yesterday 20:28
MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 09:20

GrannyRose15 · Yesterday 20:59

Immigration is a curse that will destroy this country. It’s all very well inviting a few people who will accept our values and live happily along side us but the numbers involved now mean that our values are under threat. What I can’t understand is why people want to come here and live in a free country and then start making demands that will change the ethos of the country. Surely if they want to come here because we are a good place to live then it is beholden on us to ensure it is exactly that- a good place to live. Too many immigrants make that impossible.”

This country as it is today was founded on immigration, with wave after wave going back centuries. Immigrants made the country what it is today. It’s an evolving process, surely? Always has been.

“Stop living in cloud cuckoo land”

So you’re saying that there hasn’t been wave after wave of immigration, going back at least to the Vikings and the Normans? This country is founded on immigration. Perhaps read some history books.

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