Can anyone explain to me, please, why people like Suella Braverman

[MrsSkylerWhite]

make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?
Makes no sense to me, at all 🤷‍♀️
Of course, the obvious answer is that their parents arrived into the UK via legal routes.
Many of those legal routes no longer exist (very deliberately) and this Government (if it can be called such) seems to be doing it’s level best to override the asylum system (as Conservative governments have been for some years).
I welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is thanks to it. Has been for millennia.

She’s trying to position herself through her resignation to take over from Truss. Anything is possible, so strap in and don’t speak too soon about being happy that she’s gone.

@FreddyHG - hard left Mumsnet 😂🤔

She also studied in France on Erasmus and then voted to get rid of the scheme for others, so I guess she just doesn't like people having the same things she has?

It's a funny thing and I'm reminded of chatting to a colleague who had only just moved to the UK from India, supported by the company I worked for. He was adament that our borders were too lax and we should make our government drastically reduce immigration.

He literallly wanted the door shut just after he'd walked through it himself.

Mind boggled.

What a ridiculous stance.

She didn't have the qualifications to become Attorney General though. It was 'engineered' for her.

Are you saying her parents came here as economic migrants but she's against people coming and claiming asylum?

the hard left Mumsnet 😂 Do you have any idea what left and right means??

Mumsnet is, on the whole, a place where intelligent women (and men) can discuss anything and everything. If many people on here care about what happens to others it's hardly because they're hard left! It's because they're decent, thinking people.

It's a particular mindset of pulling the ladder up behind you, part of a more general lack of feeling and care for people you perceive as unimportant.

Contrast though with Lord (Alf) Dubs, who came to the UK as a child on the Kindertransport and actively campaigns for the rights and fair treatment of refugees.

Personal morality and choice.

The way you have written your title makes it look as though you’re asking why people like her. Can’t you see that?

It doesn't imply that in any way at all.

"make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?"

OP doesn't even mention liking her.

many people like ‘tough on immigration’ policies.
many of these people live in areas where they are competing for jobs, housing, schools and doctors appointments with fairly recently arrived immigrants.
Many people also consider protestors who cause massive disruption to other peoples lives as ‘over privileged pricks’ - Braverman said similar.
her thoughts appear to be in line with many Working class Sun reader types.

'Working class sun reader types' unbelievable

@MrsSkylerWhite are you really that naive that you wonder why people might not like mass immigration. I guess as long as it doesn't affect you you're laughing ??

lollipoprainbow

what do you mean by ‘unbelievable’ -
it is exactly the view held by wc people who read ‘The Sun’ as well as the Daily Mail because they are the people who are affected most by immigration.
from your last comment it appears you have a similar view so I have no idea why you see my comment as unbeliveble or perhaps insulting.
I put no value judgement on it.

mavismorpoth

you appear to be saying that a title which states ‘can anyone explain why people like Suella Braverman’ does not invite responses discussing why people may like Suella Braverman. Are you illiterate?

I think it’s expected that her views would be different because her parents are immigrants I think this is quite a naive point of view. Many really struggled and worked hard. The general view of immigrants now for many is that they are coming here to get benefits

Horrible woman but she seemed quite popular a few months ago. I hadn’t heard of her until the Tory leadership I hope she keeps putting the boot in for Truss then go back to the backbenches

Because she plays on the fears of people who are scared through little shitty hints.

Guardian reading wokeratti- well she represents all her constituents including the guardian readers and all this nonsense with the word woke I fucking hate it. My understanding was the word woke meant aware of social injustice - that's surely a good thing to be aware of unjust behaviour and move towards change yet we've managed to turn it into an insult to provoke a crappy little culture war so everyone can be distracted from the absolute shit show our country is.

It's always been the same with the tories get people scared of those pushing for change - make working class people turn against immigrants so they can fight over the crumbs while the tories eat the cake. Make people fear gay people during the aids crisis so they don't have to invest any of their precious money in effective health care, Make people fear the Irish in the 80s and 90s, make people fear transgender people now so women and trans women can scrap over access to safe spaces and nobody needs to actually address why the spaces are unsafe in the first place. Hitler knew full well that people can unite together in hate and fear against a common 'enemy' and politicians have been using similar tactics ever since.

Also, I'm not disputing how hard Suella and other Tory politicians from minority backgrounds have worked to get into their position, but the conservatives do seem to have a nasty habit of putting their black and brown politicians at the forefront of some of their more controversial policies and letting them take the flack for it.

Ah I see... I didn't read it as "why people like her?

I read it as "why do people like Suella do this thing they do?"

See, she begins her post without a capital, which implies she is continuing the question. If she was asking why people like Suella Braveman she would have used this little guy ? after "why do people like SB"

He's a "question mark" and he denotes a question is being asked. Instead, the ? came after the actual question being asked which ended in "...opportunities"

Punctuation can be helpful when you're literate. You seem not to have registered it and formed an entirely erroneous conclusion.

I don't know, but I feel like it's almost a kind of internalised racism - like, because she's brown and the daughter of immigrants she feels the need to distance and differentiate herself as much as possible from other immigrants, and she does this by adopting an extreme position.

It's a bit like the evangelical religious types who rail against gay people but then turn out to be in the closet themselves.

mavismorpoth
Whilst my English degree did cover punctuation comprehensively and my 5 lessons a day teaching it ensures my working knowledge is up to date it does not cover titles of threads that in no way reflect their content. The fact that many posters have responded similarly would suggest that it is a good idea for an OP to follow the almost universally recognised practice of having a title which reflects the question asked.

So then why did you ignore the lack of capital letter at the beginning and the question mark?

*practise.

The title is clearly the lead in to the rest of the post which forms the body of the question.

Yes, others have made the same mistake, they're wrong too. It was clear to me. The education system including higher education is not fit for purpose. (I have a degree myself but literacy in this country is appalling and standards are dropping even for degrees)

There are unfortunately plenty of people that someone like Braverman or Patel dog whistle to. Even Hitler had fans and supporters in the UK. And they are still alive today and raised children. Vile people but they live among us and sadly are no longer hiding under rocks, but feel emboldened to celebrate their views openly.

It's because her parents made it, they did it the right way, they all worked to get where they are etc etc, so others can too and the ones who don't shouldn't be here.

It's actually pretty common amongst immigrants to roll eyes at others and do "if I could, you could if you wanted to". I am assuming similar goes for ways to seek asylum.

My dh is also very much on the side that lots of the migrants are not actually refugeees because the real poor ones in danger had no money to get here and are stuck in camps nearby. He is from ME