Can anyone explain to me, please, why people like Suella Braverman

[MrsSkylerWhite]

make speeches lauding the UK for the opportunities it gave their parents and themselves then try to snatch them away from others after they have benefitted from those opportunities?
Makes no sense to me, at all 🤷‍♀️
Of course, the obvious answer is that their parents arrived into the UK via legal routes.
Many of those legal routes no longer exist (very deliberately) and this Government (if it can be called such) seems to be doing it’s level best to override the asylum system (as Conservative governments have been for some years).
I welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is thanks to it. Has been for millennia.

So what makes you think that immigrants don't believe in those values? And I mean all immigrants, not whatever carefully chosen tiny minority you choose to pick on, because of course we do sadly have a subset of UK citizens who don't subscribe to all those views.

So do explain what exactly immigrants, and specifically boat people, are doing to strip away all our individual freedoms which, for your information, I value greatly. The last time I looked, the only people attacking those where the Tory government.

What has she actually done to break that business model? She could do it tomorrow by offering safe passage for asylum seekers combined with a much more efficient model for checking asylum claims, processing tribunal appeals and deporting non-genuine applicants. Instead she produces ridiculous policies like the Rwanda stunt which cost a fortune and which have resulted in the removal of precisely 0 immigrants.

Maybe you missed the bit where Albanians are massively over represented in the prison population.

Well Rishi Sunak was / is a leading Brexiteer. Baffled as to his logic around that. I notice he's a lot quieter about it these days though...

Look at all the people still in support of Trump - Latinos in Florida, many successful 2nd gen immigrant groups.

Braverman is an unpleasant character. That's clear. But Sunak is clearly on the same page as her with the Rwanda policy. Insane.

LaGioconda · Today 08:46
GrannyRose15 · Yesterday 20:29

• "Why not crack down on the people doing the exploiting rather than blame those being exploited? And these problems would be much less if people seeking asylum were permitted to work legally as soon as they arrived, as is the case in other countries."

“If you would actually listen with an open mind to what Suella Braverman is trying to do, you would realise that her aim is to break the business model of the people smugglers.
What has she actually done to break that business model? She could do it tomorrow by offering safe passage for asylum seekers combined with a much more efficient model for checking asylum claims, processing tribunal appeals and deporting non-genuine applicants. Instead she produces ridiculous policies like the Rwanda stunt which cost a fortune and which have resulted in the removal of precisely 0 immigrants”

Ah, don’t let facts get in the way of a good old xenophobic rant.

Arguably the biggest pull for immigrants and refugees is the one that - despite brave efforts by successive generations - cannot be changed. And it's entirely down to our sense of superiority historically.

The English language.

You really can't got to every corner of the globe, force this gowdawful abomination of a mother tongue on successive generations of subjugated peoples, and not expect it to leave a mark.

The mark in this case being that the only countries in the world that are ready made to accept someone with English as a second language are the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. I'm currently working with a South African so that might be a bit of balance. However their tales of history are fascinating. Including deliberately not teaching English to the blacks under apartheid.

Care to explain why you think individuals being jailed is an attack on the general population's freedoms? Seems a bit of an odd stretch to me.

Are you suggesting that because Albanian criminals are over represented in the prison system we should treat ALL Albanian people a certain way?

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When did we introduce collective punishments in the UK ?

Men are also massively over represented in our jails. Maybe we should sent them to Rwanda too ?

gowdawful abomination of a mother tongue

This reminds me of an exquisite piece from Jorge Luis Borges on the English language. It made me consider it in a refined way. I recommend his thoughtful prose.

On stopping the business model of smugglers in @LaGioconda post, it takes a lot, if you look at countries that have taken boats smuggled from thousands to zero pretty much. Not saying either way whether the U.K. would do the same thing, but it takes a lot.

As far as I can see there's four reasons someone supports / likes Braverman

1. They're small minded racists / bigots who hear "stop the boats" and think "Yes! Get the foreign muck out of my country!".

2. They have genuine concerns over how our under funded and failing public services can cope with the population's needs but have been brainwashed by to believe that migration is the issue. These people here "stop the boats" and think "Yes! We're full up, Britain for the British!".

3. They've got some shares in a company that Braverman will help through one of her policies and/or own a company that's in line for a dodgy contract.

4. They are a Tory shill and have been instructed by HQ to state they love her.

I mean anyone with even a molecule of critical thinking ability would listen to what the tories and Braverman are saying and think "Hold on, you've been in control of migration for 13+ years, if it's such a huge issue that's destroying the country why haven't you done something about it already?"

Suella appeals to the people who would have otherwise voted for parties like UKIP or the BNP. It draws those voters in for the Tories. These voters like her because of her far-right political views.

The UK likes to pat itself on the back that it doesn't have any far-right parties in Parliament or government unlike other European countries, but what actually happened in the UK is that far-right policies were embraced and adopted by mainstream parties (especially Tories but Labour didn't exactly push back against this stuff either), so small parties on the far right became unnecessary. This is not new, Britain has a very long history of far-right and fascist politics- I'm reading a non-fiction book about the inter-war period and the National Front was a lot more prominent than we like to remember now.

As are Black people. I can only assume that @Swrigh1234 would support apartheid being implemented in the UK too.

That's the type of person who supports Braverman I guess.

Yes and the new Nat-C group, supported by so many Conservative MPs, is alarming.

Regardless of her politics, I can’t stand she way she sits next to Sunak continuously and rhythmically nodding her head.
It is like one of those nodding dogs you see in the rear window of stupid people’s cars.

Isn’t Reform replacing UKIP for this? Polls show at 6% and UKIP 1%

I don’t know much about them but assumed they were tied to Brexit policy in some way

Yes, you're right, it's Reform now- I can't keep up with all of Nigel's ventures, haha. UKIP is no longer a thing, but my point was that none of these parties get into Parliament (partly because of FPTP), but that doesn't mean the UK voting public rejects their ideas, their ideas are adopted by the mainstream parties. UKIP became irrelevant because the Tories adopted Brexit as their own pet issue.

but that doesn't mean the UK voting public rejects their ideas

Yes you have a point here and rest of post

Suella reminds me of my parents and their community - first generation Indian migrants who voted Brexit, think migration should be stopped for all except graduate professionals from Western Europe, USA and India (genuinely) and who display a level of Islamaphobia and racism (particularly towards afro-caribbean communities) that would make your eyes water.

They think Suella and Rishi are great.

I wonder what the immigration situation would look like if the politicians responsible for it were taking payments from the people smugglers ?

No different to how it is now is pretty much the answer.

Just a thought.

I'm struggling to see how those Albanians are taking away our rights to democracy, freedom under the law, individual liberty, trial by jury, personal property and common law, and to impose a dictatorship. Yes, individual criminals are certainly doing things in contravention of those rights, but the Albanian prison population over the whole of 2022 was 1336, as against a total prison population of 82,900 - so it does rather look as if we have to turn to the non-Albanian population to see the greatest threat. And the group of people who are doing the most harm to our rights because they have the most power is the current government.

Keep struggling. You might understand one day. But then of course it will be too late.

So Suella Braverman is the right type of immigrant- I guess I am too since I am from her part of the world and have two degrees- and everyone else is not. Got it.

She is a career psychopath, just like Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Dominic Cummings, will trample over anyone who gets in her way.