Return of women who were right about safeguarding

[RhannionKPSS]

AIBU to think Mumsnet should allow women ( & men ) who were right about lack of safeguarding in certain places back on this site? ( if they wish to return) ?

Yes. How strange that they were so loud and then.... That other chat board is very quiet. It just doesn't seem like they put any effort into creating threads that were of interest.

Last time I saw someone whingeing about Sex and Gender they went over to start a thread on the other board (announced they were doing it, in fact) and got about 5 posters who sympathy posted and petered out of conversation by half way down the first page. The poster was certain they were onto a topic that everyone was interested in. But the fact is, no one really visits that board and it is not very lively.

Mind you, it seems most of those posters who declared there was plenty of interest for the other board seem to have disappeared completely now off both.

What a fantastic and informative thread. So good to see so many women speaking out about in the light of the Mermaids scandal and all the associated horrors currently happening to women and children.

The Lisa Muggeridge video on the Mermaids thread is extraordinary. She is absolutely 100% spot on.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commission?reply=120497184

There was an article on Vice or some such where the reporter followed "virtuous paedophiles" and found out they didn't exactly try to limit their access to children. One of the men in the article worked at a children's home for kids from abusive backgrounds FFS and admitted attraction to the kids who live there. He told himself he was a better caretaker because he was so interested in those children.

Men will find a way to justify following their urges.

I have a vague recollection about something similar, that these places and events are actually more likely to make them reoffend - and they are one of the highest likely to reoffend anyway or something?

Same for all their rehab stuff in prison I think I remember reading or hearing, just makes them more likely to reoffend but gives them the tools and ideas to do it differently the next time?

Yes. I cannot find it. But that does sound familiar tied in with prison rehab too.

I recollect some found it informative in new ways of accessing children.

So, no. I don’t believe these B4-UACT and such are what they say. And I also question the motives of the people doing this research. It all sounds way too similar to Peter Tatchell and others saying ‘intergenerational sex’ with children isn’t always ‘abusive’.

Or people like that Alok person stating little girls are also kinky too!

Just no excuse. None

But that does sound familiar tied in with prison rehab too.

The SOTP (Sex Offender Treatment Programme) was scrapped in 2019 because it was shown to actually raise the risk of reoffending.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-49973318

You found it!! Yes that is what I remember and I remember Kathryn Hopkins being mentioned too.

Thank you.

this seems to be reminiscent of the trans conference that someone from MN infiltrated a few years back, and attended a workshop where transwomen were encouraged to join every womens group in their local area and basically pretend to care about whatever issue they were about, because they knew women tended to personalise their politics, and if they knew a 'nice' transwoman then they would be unlikely to vote or protest against self ID

Nettletea omg you aren't kidding are you. So so poisonous

ColeensBoot

google ‘Denton’s Report’.

The trans law center in the USA did a report more recently on ways to convert people to their way of thinking too. The US report was very clear, do not talk about sport!

Thank you!

Exactly. This needs to be openly discussed and the harms recognised and opposed.

This is so sinister, and explains the infiltration of trans identified males on many women's groups and organisations (including women's charities). They are not actually there to support women, they are there to bask in the presence of women and be included among us.

@Farmageddon this is me… left leaning Guardian reading, live & let live… the trans man at WI and the one at my business group is having a hard time and his family don’t understand 🫣. Compassion is so often misplaced and exploited.

I liked the Lisa Muggeridge Twitter video.

When will someone bloody listen though? I am worried about schools. We already have some Stonewall certification 4 stars or something.

it’s about time both charities had a spotlight thrown on their activities.

That Stonewall rates Mermaids is extremely concerning!

Sick to death of the tiny (0.8%) trans population running the lives of others. We were caught on the hop and let these (mainly) m2f trans peeps elbow into changing rooms, cloakrooms, hospital wards, prisons, DV refuges, Rape Crisis, sports, schools etc. 90+% of transwomen remain fully intact males, with the puberty benefits of strength, muscle mass, bone density, height, weight etc. No transwoman is a woman. No transman is a man. They may have chosen that gender but that does not change their sex - ask Professor Robert Winston who has spoken out on this. It is ludicrous to batter JK Rowling, saying she is transphobic, while not providing ONE example of her transphobic utterances. She just wants women's spaces for women. I am in favour of open categories for sports, so the tiny amount of trans sportspeople can compete, against their peers. I do not want women to have to compete against men, it's unfair, unsafe in some cases and could lead to women leaving sports. There's no issue with transmen and sports etc, because there's no chance of them being competitive, it's purely transwomen wanting to beat women. It's all about a hatred of women, have you seen the photos & videos of trans activists screaming at lesbians? If we don't draw a line under the creeping insidious forward march of men into women's spaces, and activities the work of the suffragettes will have been for nought.

I heard Ray Blanchard talking on a podcast somewhere: think it might have been Gender A Wider lens but not sure. He's the psychologist who came up with the idea of autogynephilia to describe all the older men who leave wives and children to follow the dream.

He had also done research on paedophiles. IIRC (which I may not) he said that when these men were young they had lots of opportunities to have sex with young (but legal women) and they could burn off their sexual energy in various ways. And then they maybe invested in their own family for a while, but later in life in their 40s and 50s, they couldn't get access to young women and also their own sexual function was beginning to decline and they were focussed more on children. So after years of not actually acting on their paedophile urges, in middle and older age they'd begin to do so. Which perhaps goes some way to explaining the 'dirty old man' trope.

@Glinner interviewed him on "the mess we're in" a few months ago.

I'm not sure how to put this because obviously paedophiles are predators but is he basically saying that these men are acting like an ailing or aging (animal) predator going for easier prey?

Part of it, but I think what he meant is that men who want "girls" were probably able to get them (or very close to that) when they themselves were young, but as they get older, can't get them anymore. So they turn to trying to exploit the ones they have access to.

Ok yes that makes sense thank you.

and also their own sexual function was beginning to decline and they were focussed more on children.

And possibly also that their awareness of their sexual "ineffectiveness" leads them to want to have sex with people who have no capacity to judge them.

Also perhaps that the novelty, extremity, perversion, taboo, level of control might cause them to regain some sexual arousal/performance etc.

Thank you @LemonDrop22 that all makes sense, I appreciate you taking the time to help me understand that properly.

Had missed it on the thread.

Any of us who've been following this since that was filmed could now all pull out evidence for all Lisa's statements.