Return of women who were right about safeguarding

[RhannionKPSS]

AIBU to think Mumsnet should allow women ( & men ) who were right about lack of safeguarding in certain places back on this site? ( if they wish to return) ?

I was just about to mention this.

I credit MN FWR board as opening my eyes to this back in 2016, and I was late to the party at that point. I think early 2016 was when I started getting involved, and Oct '17 I was giving evidence to the equality commission at Westminster alongside Stephanie Davies Arai, Bob Withers, Miranda Yardle, James Caspian, Judith Green and others, as they'd head not one jot of evidence from womens organisations in their quest to allow self ID following advice from Stonewall et al that there was no debate, that this was just another rights movement like gay rights, and that the only people who could possibly object were bigots.

That line held for a LONG time. the thought that trans rights were only about trans people, so you dont need to consult anyone else, as it didnt affect them. NO impact assessments had been done. They had got a long way by flying under the radar, and this was the attempt to guile the public for the final push. Of course people didnt see the difference - they didnt see that unlike gay rights - where gay people expected rightly to just be treated the same as everyone else, to not be criminalised for who they were in a relationship with, or to be allowed to marry - trans rights had areas of direct conflict when you redefine what a woman was.

Posie Parker was still on here at that point - her name out there wasnt chosen, it was her MN username until she was kicked off. Many campaigns were started via MN - girlguiding and Man Friday off the top of my head as a couple in the early days, and I can see why it was such a threat. Once the discussion takes place, the wheels start falling off the barrow and you are left with the understanding that there is nothing but ideology. And a movement starts.

Through MN I met and intereacted with a great number of groups who took the movement into different corners of the internet - initially FB (although always the risk of infiltration and shutdown) and then other places. MN was always a useful souce for women newly peaked. And we lost a great many of people with first hand knowledge, many who've been mentioned. MN has reach, and the TRA know this. There have been huge efforts to shut it down, to shut the FWR board down, and most likely to shut the current board down. The women left speak in careful language - but at least if you go look, the stories are being shared and are tumbling out.

I think the UK has started the fall, and hope the fall continues. Safeguarding of children is as serious as it gets, and rights lost are not easily regained. I just wonder how much sooner it would have happened if much of that knowlege had managed to remain on the board, but perhaps having it s[pread far and wide means a more effective multipronged attack

Oh I remember reading a lot by posie and I’m not great at remembering user names.

The Women and Men who have looked into all the dark corners (and there are more than you can possibly imagine) doing their research for years and then being villified / having careers trashed for voicing concerns will probably never be publicly thanked or have an apology.
At least Stephanie Davies Arai has been publicly recognised for her child welfare work with her BEM, she should have been made a Dame and able to sit in the HoL to effect real change.

The most important thing everyone needs to note is that this is NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.

Every concern raised by people opposed to trans ideology, self ID, and transitioning of children has come to pass.

Predators exploiting children’s charities ✅

Predators exploiting trans organisations (see WPATH in cahoots with child sex abuse fetishists for their ‘Eunuchs’ chapter) ✅

Predators developing a “woman” identity after conviction for crimes ✅

Male sex offenders in women’s prisons with resulting sexual assaults ✅

An increase in assaults on women in mixed sex changing areas ✅

Males taking opportunities from women in sport ✅

The erosion of safeguarding boundaries in schools ✅

Schools blindly teaching Queer Theory, historically steeped in paedophilia, to children in schools ✅

Schools and organisations like Mermaids ignoring safeguarding to transition children behind their parents’ backs ✅

The damage done to girls with binders, mastectomies and testosterone ✅

The increasing number of detransitioners who have no fertility or sexual function as adults from puberty blockers and hormone therapy ✅

The homophobia of re-writing gay and lesbian as “same gender-attracted” instead of same sex-attracted with coercion of lesbians into accepting males as partners ✅

And so on, and so on.

The vindication is slow, and yet still the supporters deny there’s a problem. What those in the dark should take away from this thread is this revelation about this Trustee of Mermaids is that there are many, many more occasions where the vindication has happened without fanfare and the vindication is still to come.

The Sex and Gender Board should be compulsory reading, open your eyes to everything that’s going on because it affects everyone.

More worryingly, AS shows that this poster is/was a social worker.

Glinner is the modern day Johnny Rotten in the story?

Evil behaviour is being allowed to flourish.

Me too. Stopped going ages ago and won’t ever return, u-turn regardless.

Has anyone mentioned Child Line? One of the posters on FWR had written something about the Child Line website having links to pornography IIRC. Around about the same time as the NSPCC and Rubberman came to light.

What did Wagamamas do?

One of the most committed trans-allies I was acquainted with (not any more: I was denounced the moment I revealed GC opinions) was developing policy in one of Barnardo's regional organisations.

Is Johnny Rotten a whistleblower or martyr? You'll need to explain.

He spoke up about Jimmy Saville back in the day and was banned from the BBC because of it

They were “proud” supporters of MermIds then quietly backtracked.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commission?page=30

ReunitedThorns · Yesterday 23:43
www.wagamama.com/proudbeyondpride

Wagamama 22nd Sept:

"we’re honoured to be partnering with the inspirational charity mermaids. mermaids has been supporting transgender, nonbinary and gender diverse young people and their families since 1995"

Wagamama 4th Oct:

"previous partners include mermaids, who have been supporting transgender, nonbinary + gender diverse young people + their families since 1995,"

Just read the whole thread on Mermaids, seriously.

They absolutely should be reinstated to this board and their posts should be digitally exhumed and collected in some kind of Justice and Reconciliation process, so what they warned everyone of can be understood by everyone.

There's a few reasons Terf Island is as it is and one of them is Mumsnet FWR posters around 2016 and 2017.

I came to Mumsnet looking for support with issues in my relationship (which I got) and left with my formerly woke eyes totally opened. Thanks to so many brilliant women here. So proud to be British.

The BBC have been pushing trans ideology on children via CBBC, and the institution remains completely captured by Stonewall ideals (even though, thanks to Nolan, they are no longer directly associated). They have learned precisely nothing since Saville. They are complicit groomers.

See, this annoys me.

Organisations that deal predominantly with children have to do due diligence. This man was not hiding his proclivities

The conference was 10 years ago, his lecturing career is ongoing and his book Ambivalent Childhoods was published last year (including Desiring the Child: Queerness, Motherhood, and the Analyst. He does a lot of that "What is a child, is it really a biological age? Oh! Look at how black children are treated" squirrel chasing) - yes, I have read some of it, still working my way through the dense and often impenetrable jargon, buzzwords and deliberate ambiguity!

One member? A trustee, whose views are not secret. They are a children's charity. They need to be as clean as say Childline (hollow laugh). They also promise not to tell parents of many things, like name changes and binders for kids under 16. That is utterly unacceptable. And I mean absolutely, comes with a a jail sentence and life on the sex offenders register level of unacceptable!

Less secure sites that are signposted within Mermaids fora. Monitors who do not screen out a wide variety of links etc. ChildLine does this. They screen, block, monitor. Mermaids have been told about the grooming that goes on via links from their site... and choose to do nothing.

Strictly monitored would bae a dream. Simply dropped in on every now and then would be an improvement! They do support lots of peadophiles through inaction, looking the other way, not doing their due diligence. THAT is what safeguarding is. Being bothered enough to take reasonable steps - or in their case ANY steps!

Stop 'being reasonable' and see this catalogue of failures, deliberate ibfuscations nad underhand actions as anything but what they are. Harmful to many kids!

Absolutely this x 100.

Through fear of speaking out, I feel I have been cohersed into being part of the problem.

This thread has given me so much hope.

Thank you to those who tirelessly campaign and for those who came before you.

jamesesses.substack.com/p/dear-childline

I am pretty sure Graham Linehan has interviewed James Esses.

This thread appears to have dropped off active convos.

That had passed me by! Thank you for posting it.

I think Glinner has suffered far worse than JR did. His marriage has broken up, his projects have been shelved and he's been sued and bothered by the police time and time again. He's lost a small fortune in lost work and costs. I do hope in a year or two there'll be a drama about it and he'll become a hero. I've met him a couple of times. It's clear he's a complicated sort of chap, but it takes someone like him — someone who will never give up and never give in — to face these people down. We need a statue of him: the man who wouldn't give in.

The BBC hasn't changed one bit.

Of course it has
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Yes I agree poor Graham has really suffered both personally and professional because of this, more than most in fact. I really do hope he gets some form of vindication in the future for everything he's done.

**I'm still hoping we'll all get to see the Ted Musical at some stage too!

I agree op. Anyone (or organisation) who wishes for open conversation to be shut down especially when it comes to children safeguarding needs to be viewed with great suspicion.

Children’s charities especially should be constantly talking and reflecting and making sure their safeguarding game is too tip as new methods to subvert safeguarding are being developed all the time.

We come to the basic question - ‘What have they got to hide?’

Why has Mumsnet been attacked again and again and regular posters mass reported and banned for just having conversations and swapping information?

Jimmy Saville and chums succeeded because no one was allowed to challenge them. Plenty knew but were silenced. We can’t allow that to continue.

An intrinsic part of Gender Identity ‘Theory’ and Queer Theory is the removal of safeguards. We must be allowed to talk about this.