Return of women who were right about safeguarding

[RhannionKPSS]

AIBU to think Mumsnet should allow women ( & men ) who were right about lack of safeguarding in certain places back on this site? ( if they wish to return) ?

Yes, it was something more like that. The impression I got from what I think I heard him say was that as some paedophiles' sexual prowess wanes and their access to young-enough women declines (because on the whole 18-year-olds don't want to have sex with 40-year-old men) they would focus more on what really turned them on, which was children, and would then start strategising and actively working out how to achieve their real desires.

@Glinner interviewed him on "the mess we're in" a few months ago.

That Glinner interview was a fucking car crash. It was about AGPs. Blanchard is the person who decided that the "therapy" for these men was to put them into women's spaces and let them have their little validation fantasies at the expense of females. He also blames the current trans mess on women.

I've watched a couple of his videos but I haven't seen that one yet, will watch but can you give me the cliff notes version of how it went please?

Originally, psychotherapist men told autogynephile men to go out there and use women's facilities, women's toilets, women's changing rooms, to crash women's boundaries.

They told those men masquerading as women, that women won't notice at all. Or if they do, then women will Be Kind.

So, men deciding women's perceptions? And that using women is all fine?

They can fuck right off.

NO Men in women's spaces. These men never asked women in the first place, they just told men to go ahead and crash women's spaces.

I have no time for men's "queer ideology"."Queer" all just seems like the most recent gloss on male supremacism against women and children.

Ffs you'd think a psychotherapist would have been able to consider another viewpoint (women) before getting there, we just don't exist for them except in a sub-human service capacity do we really?

Think I found it, is it Episode #90?

Watched it and some of it was interesting but I agree it was a car crash.

Helen gets talked over a lot doesn't she?

And a nice little swat the ball of responsibility back into the women's court from RB at the end with apparently no understanding of social constraints imposed and expected of women and as Helen pointed out the level of vitriol directed at anyone who is actually a woman is always far greater than that directed at any men.

I find it worrying that he thinks AGP males might be in similar numbers to gay males, that's a lot of future wives and children suddenly being thrown over to live life as their "authentic" selves isn't it?

How I feel about the entire Mermaids situation.

[Warning harsh language]

Didn't Lisa Muggeridge get a lot of threats and abuse?
It would be excellent if all the whistle blowers who tried to protect children could have their day in court and restitution for what they have suffered.
The whole thing is really shocking.

@HatThatWearsYou I typed the post below last night then failed to post. I see others have commentated, but thought I'd post what I| had written anyway. I just want to add everyone involved in that debacle seem to have moved on since and are concentrating on the main goals rather than in fighting. But it was not great for a while.

@HatThatWearsYou It's a long old saga, and there have been critical videos made in response (most notably by Karen Davies), which caused a massive ruckus. Much as I like Glinner and Arty, the interview with Blanchard comprised of Arty fan-boying Blanchard and not letting anyone get a critical word in edge-ways. Arty has a personal history with an AGP, and while he accepts that AGP demands are at the very heart of the TRA movement, he still wants them treated with the utmost kindness. These are not kind people, and many trans widows attested to how upset this interview made them. There was no pushback against Blanchard's methods, no critical questioning as to why Blanchard chose to put these men into women's spaces, no questions or answers as to who was funding this research and whether males were being diagnosed to keep the funding coming in. He ultimately blamed the current situation on women/feminism, which left Helen sputtering. I had been a total fan girl myself of The Mess up to that point. That interview left me utterly astounded. The vindictive conduct of Glinner and Arty subsequently (plus Benjamin Boyce and certain people within Genspect) made me switch them off, I'm afraid.

I tried to listen to Blanchard speak on the Wider Lens podcast. He was really dull and waffly.

@HatThatWearsYou If you'd like to hear how trans widows felt about the whole issue with Glinner, this gives you an idea. I really, really try to avoid purity spirals, because the "GC Movement" is really just lots of people from all walks of life with different political views and personal allegiances all coming together to recognise that biological sex exists and that this must be at the heart of all safeguarding of children and women's spaces. However, I do find it hard to get past anyone prioritising a sexual fetishist's feelings over those of his poor wife and children; and giving these fetishists a seat in the heart of a women led movement that is fighting a male led movement, in which the fetishist's fantasy life is at the heart of all the incursions made on women's and children's spaces.

Don't know why those videos haven't posted. Anyway, if you are interested, go to "Can I Get A Witness Voices" youtube and watch "AGP Discussion" and "IN CONVERSATION: Jenny & Ayesha, Transwidows PART 2"

@BitossiBlues how do you mean he prioritsed a fetishists feelings over his wife & Children?

I mean that certain GC commentators have appealed to transwidows to "be kind" to the exact class of fetishist males that have abused them, and have given these males a voice over and above the trans widows.

I vaguely recall that there was a big fallout from that Mess video and an apology from Glinner. I don't know. Later, when I have a bit of time, I will search.

Glinner has? I have a lot of time for him and have watched/read a lot of his commenting on the topic. I know he's friends with Debbie hayton but i don't think that makes him against trans widows and I still don't see how that part of his involvement is responsible for his marriage break up (unless I have missed something specific?)

Oh I did miss a video then? How was it responsible for his marriage breaking down and his relationship with his children being affected though?

I'm not talking about Glinner's marriage and children at all @AryaStarkWolf . I'm talking about transwidows (and their children) as a group and AGPs as a group. And my distrust of anyone wishing for sympathy for the latter over the feelings and experience of the former. There's been a lot written about Hayton, and I've heard enough from him myself to know I would I would not trust him in a million years. Are you not aware of the "We are the Movement" photo?

Ahhh I see, sorry I misunderstood what you were saying there.

No I'm not aware of that, what is it?

No, no! nothing to do with Glinner's marriage/children. It was the conduct of Ray Blanchard and Arty Morty on the video that was the problem and the fact that they didn't appear to take seriously the affect of the behaviour of the men being discussed on wives and children.
The thing is, those Mess videos are completely informal, often pretty disorganised and usually very good natured and interesting. That particular one got out of control and I don't think it was planned or expected, to be fair.
I started watching them comparatively recently. I find them very good and I think GL is very brave.

I haven't heard of the apology, but I would hope to fuck he acknowledged the ridiculousness of that interview. Him and Arty fawned over RB a ridiculous amount, just because he was some sort of 'expert', I'm not sure why - maybe it's awkward to have a guest on your show and then criticise their work. Maybe they didn't want to rock the boat or insult him by questioning his methods. Either way it came off as pandering bullshit.
As previous posters have stated, they failed to ask proper questions, or push back on some of the ridiculous stuff he has come out with.

I'm glad that Blanchard has done this research because it allows us some sort of insight into the reasons behind these men's behaviour (which would probably have never been allowed to be conducted today), but I think he is guilty of some sort of researchers bias in believing that these men are always victims and never perpetrators of something. In wanting to understand them, he has fallen into the trap of trying to excuse them, and has failed to acknowledge the impact that AGP has on the families of these men, and on women in general who are expected to facilitate this against our own wishes.

@AryaStarkWolf The photo saga in a nutshell:

The Mess video with Blanchard was part of an ongoing issue many GC women and trans widows in particular have with Arty and his defence of AGP (which included some "drunken" tweeting on his part saying some pretty nasty stuff to feminists). (And this is not over - even last night's unrelated Glinner missive had
women in the live chat commenting negatively about Hayton).

Sometime last year, there was a AGP conference held on zoom by Benji, a former ftm and formerly part of The Mess team. In it, a group of trans widows were trying to tell Stella O'Malley (of Genspect) how they felt about Arty and anyone on the GC side defending of AGPs - these men being the widows' tormentors and abusers in many cases. S O'M was having none of it and was pretty rude to them. You can hear it all in the video I referred to above (Can I Get A Witness Voices "AGP Discussion")

The photo was at the end of a detrainsitioner conference held earlier this year in Ireland by Genspect. A photo was published of a group of people including Stella O'Malley and Glinner in a pub. At the centre was Hayton. Now, bear in mind that this was a conference trying to give voice to detransitioners, and let kids know that transition wasn't the only answer, centring a bloke who does woman face and has had a lot of success and accolades while doing so (and who wrote the school's guidance on pronoun use and toilets and was, IMO, a TRA until he realised he's get a lot more validation on the GC side). That photo was plastered online by another GC TW (I think called Fionne), and captioned "We Are The Movement." It was goady to say the least.

Now, Jenny, a trans widow who had formerly been interviewed by Glinner, and was often times referred to by him, was invited by S O'M to that pub gathering where DH was present and centred. You can hear how this made her feel in the Can I Get A Witness Voices video "IN CONVERSATION: Jenny & Ayesha, Transwidows PART 2". When Jenny complained, Glinner all but disowned her.

The photo pissed off a lot of hardworking female activists who have done a lot more for the GC cause than anyone in it claiming to be "The Movement". A bunch of activists in the US got together at a protest, including KAren Davies (who had taken apart The Mess/Blanchard interview and had a running online battle with Arty and various Genspect people) and Poise Parker, who was out there on a visit,. They did a piss take of the "Movement" photo, having their own group photo taken in a bar. Glinner told Posie off for being in a photo with Karen.

The whole photo thing was incredibly childish and goady. But here was/is an underlying issue about treatment of AGPs (socially, legally and medically) and how making exceptions for "the nice ones" is compatible at all with GC's fundamental principles and concerns.

God. I really do wish sometimes that ALL the men attached to this issue would fuck right off.

Thanks I don't know some of those details.

It's all difficult to evaluate sometimes; I have issues with KD over her ideas about some people with DSDs.

It's useful to see things from all perspectives.

I don't believe KD had views over people with DSDs. She did have a loyalty to Exulansic, who had a problem with CAIS and would not put a lid on it. Somehow, by defending a friend against cancellation (not Ex's content, but her right to speak freely on YT), KD became more culpable in some peoples' minds than Exulansic over that particular debacle.