Return of women who were right about safeguarding

[RhannionKPSS]

AIBU to think Mumsnet should allow women ( & men ) who were right about lack of safeguarding in certain places back on this site? ( if they wish to return) ?

Those women should certainly never have been banned.

It's MN and probably those women, I'm guilty of not paying attention to who posted what, who opened my eyes to the risks of transwomen in women's spaces. And the risks to children.

People who could see it coming while the rest of us were blinkered.

I'm certainly on the view wear a pink frilly dress if you like, but be a gentleman stay out the ladies loo.

Unfortunately though there's going to be very few people who will admit they got this wrong, they will just slip away quietly and pretend all this never happened/they agreed with this stuff/thought all us women were hysterical messes

Disgusting 🤮.

There’s even more suspect links with the Labour.

The bottom line as always is money.

MN get money from advertisers. Who are larglely men.

Never forget the NSPCC refused to come on here and have a web chat with Mothers because they support the practice of transitioning children. The fucking NSPCC....Every supposed Charity meant to be protecting children, has failed them. Hence Transgender Trend having to be set up. Girl Guides have rolled over and welcomed in men who feel like women-all safeguarding out the window.

This being Mumsnet, you'd hope they wielders of the banhammer would be more concerned with safeguarding children and less concerned with not drawing the ire of men who don't want us to talk about it...

I have mostly moved to twitter.
It's not as good as the old FWR here was but there is a lot of traffic.
There is also a lot of push back but that doesn't stop women talking and sharing information and supporting each other.
The tide appears to be turning.
Political parties however, are tying themselves in knots, pretending men are women and no danger at all to anyone.

@MythicalReasonableTwitterUser

nicely put…

Exactly this. Siphoning off conversation to the "sex and gender debate" naughty corner really shows what @mumsnetHQ thinks of us

I've just read the child / shoe analogy and it's absolutely disgusting. Advocating for child abuse and arguing for acceptance of sexual relationships between adults and children.

What becomes particularly grating on me, as some that is mixed race, is how TRA link our racial struggles with them wanting to wear a dress. If people understood very clearly that blackfishing is wrong than why is that not same sentiment nor logic, applied in this case?

Yes, it's quite repulsively racist. The co-opting of black women as a rhetorical point.

The group mermaids found out and took immediate action.

Not quite. The Times found out, approached him and he quit sharpish (because Mermaids already have the Charity Commission to answer to about other safeguarding failures).

If Mermaids had done due diligence, he'd never have been there in the first place. People on Twitter dug all of this up and the press picked it up.

If randoms on Twitter could find this out, why couldn't this massive charity? They receive millions, they're dealing with very vulnerable children. There are no excuses, it's absolutely appalling.

Transphobes wanna transphobe. Simple

entropynow, are you really truly certain you want to put an equation mark between 'transphobia' and being against this:

"the desire to and the act of cumming on, or possibly even with, a child requires a rethinking both of the child, which we just begun, and of the person for whom the child is a sexual fantasy or partner"

and this:

"Is it really that children or young people having sex is the problem? Or is it [the problem] the conditions under which that sex happens?"

I am not quite sure you've grasped the implications of what you are saying.

Ahh Tom you've cheered me up no end with this^.

Very much not being unreasonable

We will not forget this.

This exactly. It's incredibly frustrating to think that a website for parents, mostly frequented by women has repeatedly banned and silenced women for speaking about our rights and very legitimate concerns.

I have had posts deleted before for using plain language to describe reality.

I have been banned for using the three letter acronym we are not supposed to mention - not even against any individual person, just mentioning it in vague reference to something. The acronym that we are not allowed to say because apparently it doesn't exist even though there is plenty of evidence to show it does exist, and even the very mention of it is hateful apparently!

Many people have also been banned from twitter for life for saying men cannot be women.
Several groups and individuals have had their Paypal accounts suspended (and therefore income streams cut off) for stating biological fact.
Youtube has previously deleted content and demonetised accounts for saying similar.

Anyone who thinks that cancel culture doesn't exist needs to wake up!

Wow, what an insightful contribution - please tell me more...

Yes, I think so. Many people are aware of what is going on, but don't want to rock the boat (I guess seeing how women are treated publicly about this scares them, and rightly so), and will just slink off quietly and pretend it was all a big surprise.

How many times do we hear 'lessons will be learned' about scandals of the past, when all along people knew what was going on and didn't act. That's what is happening now.

I've just been chewing the ear off my District Commissioner about GirlGuiding and Mermaids. She thinks the whole idea of gender identity is ridiculous, thank goodness. I don't think a lot of leaders really have an idea of how insidious Stonewall's and Mermaids' influence has been on the organisation and just how far things have gone in the name of "inclusion" - although my DC, like most leaders I have come across, are very aware that the safeguarding policies are not fit for purpose. She did tell me GirlGuiding is planning a big re-brand next year. I wonder if they will drop the "transgirl" inclusion policy (there's no such thing in law, therefore they are breaching the Equality Act as well as putting girls at risk) or double down.

Yup because most people aren't brave and don't want to risk losing anything (which I do get - however if everyone did that then what a shit heap this world would be)

Didn't they support one of their employees, they guy who wore his rubber suit fetish to work and enjoyed filming himself wanking in the work toilets?

Let us also not forget another bunch of wankers, Amnesty International. One of several threads on them:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3940685-Response-from-Amnesty-about-their-view-on-womens-trans-rights

I think most people didn't realise how far it had gone because they didn't think things could have got so ridiculous. They just thought the movement was for pronouns and cultural attitudes to people presenting in a typically masculine or feminine way. I don't think it occurred to them that male sex offenders could identify into female prisons etc, or that no GRC was required. Just like most people didn't think Maya Forstater could have said something as simple as changing sex being impossible. The reaction was so bad, they thought she must have said something actually offensive and wrong.

By the time the truth started coming out, a certain type of person was so invested in their self-perception as a righteous ally for these oppressed people that they didn't have the brains or strength of character to look at what they were really arguing for. They were never interested in societal good, they were interested in their self-perception, and it's almost impossible to get through that kind of vanity. So many handy misogynistic stereotypes exist that it was easy to dismiss dissenters as Karens and terfs without having to do any thinking or self-analysis. They don't care about women. They don't even really care about trans people but that's where their vanity stuck.

She is an adult. It's her choice. She is telling you she is doing. She isn't asking your permission or opinion. I would keep your reservations to yourself. It really isn't your business.

We never learn. Years ago when (after his death) the Jimmy Savile scandal broke there turned out to be a number of older, experienced nurses and other women and mothers who'd complained and warned others about him and tried to protect girls as well as they could. They'd made complaints to various bodies about him. No one listened to them and the Enquiry noted this and said that in future women's complaints and allegations should be taken seriously and followed through.

The old feminism thread was full of women who knew what they were talking about trying to alert others to the danger of what was happening. Mumsnet banned them.