Neo pronouns

[Sparklybutold]

Last year - colleague was they/them, now per/pers.

So, are they a load of crap and will hopefully disappear soon or time for change and respect for peoples choices.

I have a lot of patience for lots of things, and will happy use she/her, he/his or they/them wherever people want.

So that covers male, female, and anything else.

Other than those three - there's nothing else needed and nothing else that makes any sense whatsoever.

Personally I just avoid using pronouns if problematic - their name suffices in most circumstances. If there is no alternative they/them is the accepted alternative. As far titled, I kind of object to them anyway, not sure why we need to be mr/mrs/ms - just use my name!

Neo pronouns are a load of tosh from damaged people who want to feel special and validated in their damage. They need therapy, not collusion.

👏👏👏Spot on @DrDetriment

I think neopronouns can very difficult for people whose first language is not English. Also for people with traumatic brain injury or other brain injury such as stroke. People on here who've observed / known / loved TBIs know how fundamental pronouns are in the recovery of speech and how difficult they can be to manage.

If someone wants to use neopronouns that's fine but I would hope that nobody would ever chastise someone for getting them wrong, because that would be quite exclusionary and possibly also racist and ableist.

@Mumtobabyhavoc

i hope you’re joking when you say you can’t see the harm in a man wearing fetish gear to school and imposing his fetish on children

it is non contact sexual abuse

What do you do if you know someone has a pronoun other than Miss or Mr, but can't remember what it is? Is it per, mx.... you're unsure.. but you know it's not Mr or Miss.

What do you say when you ask for them?

So you walk up to the desk knowing you need to ask for XX Smith, but you don't remember their pronoun.

What do you say? "Hello, I'm here to see......... "

?

@mrsjohnnylawrence I guess just say I'm here to see ‘sam’

Have pronouns always aligned to gender? Why don't they align to sex?

I self-identify as royalty and my pronoun is “one”.
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Okay but if you don't know their first name what would you say then?

If I'm ever asked my pronouns I'm going to say I don't have any.

@mrsjohnnylawrence id probably revert to social norms.

😂😂😂 I haven't laughed in a long time time.

Agree.

I personally go by "cat/catself".😺Don't know what's not to like about it. 😼

Seems intolerance, hate and bigotry are alive and well here. smh it's 2022 fcol shame so many are rooted in the past, insist on perpetuating stereotypes by asserting the behaviour is perverse and endangers children, and threatened by how others dress and present themselves. Shameful, really.

Sigh, it's all too damn complex & folk need to get over themselves. If you look male, I'll address you as such, if you look female, I'll address you as female. I'm too damn old for all this.

No, it 's not. Educate yourself.

Hi @Mumtobabyhavoc would you accept though that neopronouns are very difficult for people whose first language is not English especially for those languages whose pronouns change depending on the gendered object, putting them at a disadvantage in everyday interaction? And ditto for those with speech impediments, TBIs and other disabilities which affect speech especially pronouns which are the most basic building blocks of speech and therefore TBI (and dementia) sufferers have the most trouble with?

Presumably "assigned visible at birth"

So weird, surely he/she/they him/her/them is enough! (or thinking radically here, just he-him or she-her!)

Why would it matter if people used 'they/them' rather than adding in lots of different identities? Our language isn't really constructed around our super individualist society. There are all sorts of people with the pronoun she/her, pronouns are not a device for proving how unique you are!

Exactly. The sad thing is people will make excuses for that behaviour. Then claim it's bigotry or transphobia to not agree with that behaviour. Those words have become meaningless now as they're thrown around too often now.

What do you think of the fact that a male Pedophile is in prison with women and children (there is a mother and baby unit?)

Am I a shameful bigot for saying this is simply wrong?

Because this is where your transgender agenda leads.