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To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

242 replies

CurseOfBigness · 24/09/2022 11:01

Mr Cameron adds that a lot of people had put their trust in the Conservatives for the first time and Boris Johnson was right to say the job now was to cement that trust and govern for the whole country.” - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50755004/page/7

This stood out to me at the last general election victory. David Cameron recognised the vulnerability of the majority won by Boris. Truss’ government ought to be reminded and heed the warning.

Truss shows very little understanding of how important that trust is for uniting the whole country (hence the majority win by Boris, not her). Whole country means not just the privileged few who disproportionately benefit from her government’s economically unwise mini-budget (Pound sinks as investors question huge tax cuts).

Both Truss and Starmer have not been tested in a general election in their own right. At least they have something in common…

AIBU - To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

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mamabear715 · 24/09/2022 11:05

I always vote Conservative. Yes, I know it's not the done thing on MN, but I do! Deal with it!
However.. if things stay as they are, I won't be voting at all in the next general election. A five year old could have come up with a better 'mini budget'. My heart sank as I realised that they have done what people always accuse them of doing, making the rich richer & the poor poorer. There's no defending that. :-(

CurseOfBigness · 24/09/2022 11:07

mamabear715 · 24/09/2022 11:05

I always vote Conservative. Yes, I know it's not the done thing on MN, but I do! Deal with it!
However.. if things stay as they are, I won't be voting at all in the next general election. A five year old could have come up with a better 'mini budget'. My heart sank as I realised that they have done what people always accuse them of doing, making the rich richer & the poor poorer. There's no defending that. :-(

You can vote for whoever you want. That’s your choice and prerogative.
Most people vote conservatives… hence why they’re in power. And in many cases conservatives do make sense. But not in this case with Truss…

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SpinCityBlue · 24/09/2022 11:13

I’m not one of those people, OP, but there have been a few on the radio saying they have regrets. But I don’t know if the radio producers are going round looking for them.

All current polls show Labour would win a GE.

pisspants · 24/09/2022 11:17

It's shocking that they have not even tried to disguise their policies in any way. Usually at least some crumbs are thrown to the least well off. It shows exactly who they are and who they are for. I'm hoping this is the nail in the coffin for them now.

Randomword6 · 24/09/2022 11:21

I wouldn't trust Truss and Kwarteng with scissors. Borrowing is now 100%+ of GDP, and they are using an outdated, scattergun approach to the economy.

MissyB1 · 24/09/2022 11:24

Well I’m wondering how all those “red wall” voters who turned Tory at the last election are feeling now? Embarrassed? Let down? Or do they still think this Government care about them?

CurseOfBigness · 24/09/2022 11:34

MissyB1 · 24/09/2022 11:24

Well I’m wondering how all those “red wall” voters who turned Tory at the last election are feeling now? Embarrassed? Let down? Or do they still think this Government care about them?

Exactly.

Boris and David Cameron recognised this because they’d both been through general election processes.

Truss clearly doesn’t understand her inherited (unearned) majority in government. Her PM status lacks credibility. She doesn’t value where her majority has come from. Hubris.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 11:39

If only Labour weren’t so utterly shit. Obviously the Tories are a scourge on the country in practical, ideological, ethical - in absolutely any way you can list.

But whilst Starmer can’t protect women’s rights and slavishly obeys the misogynistic pressures of trans activism (ie, male rights) his party is not worthy to vote for.

it’s an absolute shit show.

PollyEsther · 24/09/2022 11:39

Let's fucking hope so. Frankly the fuckwits who voted for this shit show deserve to feel the consequences of that choice though so I can't say I care all that much.

(Those who suffer through others' fuck ups have my genuine, deepest sympathy. What an absolute shit show).

PolarPolly27 · 24/09/2022 11:40

MissyB1 · 24/09/2022 11:24

Well I’m wondering how all those “red wall” voters who turned Tory at the last election are feeling now? Embarrassed? Let down? Or do they still think this Government care about them?

Some of them were interviewed other news last night. Quite a few seemed happy with the announcements.

PollyEsther · 24/09/2022 11:42

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 11:39

If only Labour weren’t so utterly shit. Obviously the Tories are a scourge on the country in practical, ideological, ethical - in absolutely any way you can list.

But whilst Starmer can’t protect women’s rights and slavishly obeys the misogynistic pressures of trans activism (ie, male rights) his party is not worthy to vote for.

it’s an absolute shit show.

This attitude really fucks me off too. Imagine still voting for this shit and using 'womens rights' as your reasoning as if the cuntservatives aren't causing far, far more damage to women and their rights than Labour. Fucking hell.

And I say that as somebody firmly GC.

Quveas · 24/09/2022 11:42

Most people vote conservatives
No they don't. Even at the last election, which was an exceptionally good vote for them, they only obtained 43.6% of the popular vote. That means that 56.4% voted for someone else. And about 33% of the people eligible to vote didn't vote at all. So the majority of people definitely didn't vote conservative.

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 11:42

Yeah I hear you, I really do.,8 just feel so stuck.

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 11:43

@PollyEsther That was. Even as I wrote it I thought - ugh, what choice do I have?

MermaidEyes · 24/09/2022 11:44

pisspants · 24/09/2022 11:17

It's shocking that they have not even tried to disguise their policies in any way. Usually at least some crumbs are thrown to the least well off. It shows exactly who they are and who they are for. I'm hoping this is the nail in the coffin for them now.

Tories have had such a stranglehold for so many years now that I honestly think they think they're invincible.

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2022 11:44

I'm a very centric voter. I swing left and right dependent on manifesto.

I work in education so not a typical Tory voter.

This year I voted due to levelling up. I was a remainer but we'd left so I could out that issue aside and wanted it done as it was done iyswim?!

I agreed with nationalisation but it wasn't enough for me to vote Labour last time around. And I detest my local conservative MP (Braverman!)

Right now I wouldn't vote Tory whilst being tortured!

However I don't feel the opposing parties are doing enough to pursuance me either. But I'm impressed with Rachael Reeves.

So yes - I agree they need to gain trust of whole country. But i don't think any party is currently achieving that.

I just don't think the other parties will attempt everything to bankrupt us like Truss is.

acrimoniousone · 24/09/2022 11:48

PollyEsther · 24/09/2022 11:42

This attitude really fucks me off too. Imagine still voting for this shit and using 'womens rights' as your reasoning as if the cuntservatives aren't causing far, far more damage to women and their rights than Labour. Fucking hell.

And I say that as somebody firmly GC.

They couldn't care less about women's rights. It's the only way they can justify voting tory to themselves, as long as the trans folks suffer more it doesn't matter that everyone else does too.

SpinCityBlue · 24/09/2022 11:49

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 11:43

@PollyEsther That was. Even as I wrote it I thought - ugh, what choice do I have?

It's a shit choice for women in particular, to have to decide whether to vote for the Rich Rights Activists or the Men's Rights Activists. All of them present a danger.

newnamethanks · 24/09/2022 11:50

I hope so. Any Questions is on R4 at 1pm, from Manchester. I tend to be guided by their audience response for queries like this. Andy Burnham is on it if fans want to hear him. I suspect he's feeling pretty peeved. I certainly am.

TheRubyRedshoes · 24/09/2022 11:56

Actually it is more dangerous to women's rights to legally erode what little we have.

CurseOfBigness · 24/09/2022 12:11

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 11:39

If only Labour weren’t so utterly shit. Obviously the Tories are a scourge on the country in practical, ideological, ethical - in absolutely any way you can list.

But whilst Starmer can’t protect women’s rights and slavishly obeys the misogynistic pressures of trans activism (ie, male rights) his party is not worthy to vote for.

it’s an absolute shit show.

But men, not women, will benefit from this tax cuts mini-budget. Last time I checked, men had higher salaries than women in general.

This is a more subtle way of not protecting women. But it’s there if you probe the particulars.

Men benefit from this mini budget disproportionately to women.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 12:36

@acrimoniousone you couldn’t be more wrong, I won’t ever vote Tory. I just feel starved of alternatives.

The trans agenda is misogynistic and you know it.

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/09/2022 12:47

@CurseOfBigness I have no doubt. I will never vote Tory. As I thought I’d made it clear by describing them as an ethical and practical scourge etc!

i just feel so massively let down and undermined by Labour. And Lib Dems, and Greens - because they are all so happy to betray women’s rights.

Nat6999 · 24/09/2022 13:29

Labour, Lib Dems, Green & SNP need to agree to form a joint government if there is a hung parliament, Labour need to stop thinking they can win an election on their own. I know the polls suggest they can win with a massive majority but they need to cover all eventualities.

Donotgogentle · 24/09/2022 13:33

Well it’s all gone quiet on levelling up.