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To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

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CurseOfBigness · 24/09/2022 11:01

Mr Cameron adds that a lot of people had put their trust in the Conservatives for the first time and Boris Johnson was right to say the job now was to cement that trust and govern for the whole country.” - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50755004/page/7

This stood out to me at the last general election victory. David Cameron recognised the vulnerability of the majority won by Boris. Truss’ government ought to be reminded and heed the warning.

Truss shows very little understanding of how important that trust is for uniting the whole country (hence the majority win by Boris, not her). Whole country means not just the privileged few who disproportionately benefit from her government’s economically unwise mini-budget (Pound sinks as investors question huge tax cuts).

Both Truss and Starmer have not been tested in a general election in their own right. At least they have something in common…

AIBU - To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

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EbbyEbs · 25/09/2022 13:10

Long term Tory voter moving towards labour here. The latest budget is a piss take and that’s coming from someone who is not struggling financially

CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 13:12

itsgettingweird · 25/09/2022 12:09

Truss takes the majority victory for granted because she never earned it in her own right as PM in a general election.

A very strong sentence and is so true. And I do believe it's at the route of her reckless decisions.

She is using the "I wasn't voted by the public" to say "I do t care what the public think and I don't owe them anything policy wise because they never asked me to do anything manifesto wise"

Bold and brave.

Hubris. Truss needs to be brought to account.

Pride cometh before Truss’ fall. And the Pride here is Truss’ own and so the fall should also be her own too.

It’s disgraceful to gamble with the public.

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TheHoover · 25/09/2022 13:15

sparctacus if you are going to get all arseholey about reading posts properly you will see that I didn’t actually accuse you of having this view.

Notonthestairs · 25/09/2022 13:21

Absolutely Itsgettingweird 👏

Believeitornot · 25/09/2022 13:27

CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 12:59

@Believeitornot ”I want politicians who are not ashamed of who they are. Now it’s Labour’s turn. Tax is not a fucking sorry word, to steal Truss’s line about profit. Tax is the price for a stable society.”

Truss said that profit is not a dirty word. I agree. But there’s a difference between profit (good) and greed (bad). Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins… that wisdom exists for good reason.

There’s enough for everyone’s need but not for everyone’s greed’ - Mahatma Ghandi (relevant given he had experienced the impact of British greed in India and on the Indian people).

Truss is being Greedy (big G) and promoting Greed… she has demonstrated little insight into how greed is definitely a dirty word. Greed is classed as a sin…

I didn’t say I agreed with Truss. I was just using her phrase.

She and those who support her are greedy and have written a narrative to justify their greed. They have enough to live on plus several lifetimes more and yet it still isn’t enough. She and those around her are unhappy and bitter and keep trying to grab more for the likes of them.

CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 13:43

Believeitornot · 25/09/2022 13:27

I didn’t say I agreed with Truss. I was just using her phrase.

She and those who support her are greedy and have written a narrative to justify their greed. They have enough to live on plus several lifetimes more and yet it still isn’t enough. She and those around her are unhappy and bitter and keep trying to grab more for the likes of them.

It would be good if Starmer makes use of ‘Tax is not a dirty word’ in his opposition stance.

“She and those around her are unhappy and bitter and keep trying to grab more for the likes of them.”

Material wealth is unsatisfactory to them. Huh 🤔 Maybe that’s because once people have satisfied their material needs and feel secure, then there’s something more in want that not material wealth?

Reminds me of something a Buddhist monk said in a talk. He’d been invited from a relatively poor Eastern country to a rich Western country to help them with happiness.

The monk hadn’t seen the kind of technology available in the rich Western country before. For all the material wealth and advancements, the people were actually no happier. In fact, he argued they were unhappier… having neglected to take care of their spiritual well-being.

I was a bit shocked that Suella Braverman claims to be Buddhist. Her views on removing the human right to protection from torture and inhumane treatment differed from what’s in most Buddhist doctrines. Strange.

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CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 13:49

@BelieveitornotShe and those around her are unhappy and bitter and keep trying to grab more for the likes of them.

Brings to mind the Rolling Stones’ “I can’t get no satisfaction”.

Truss and co. can't get no satisfaction
Truss and co. can't get no satisfaction
'Cause they try, and they try, and they try, and they try
Truss and her chums can't get no, Truss and co. can't get no

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PIITORNS · 25/09/2022 14:13

I guarantee that those Tory voters pretending they've finally seen the Tories for what they are, and that they'll either not vote or vote with more compassion next time, will miraculously re-emerge come election time.

They always do.

And if over a decade of hatred of the poor, the disabled, the young, the old, the non-Caucasian (don't let Braverman and Kwarteng's appointments fool you), not to mention whipped up hatred of refugees, environmentalists and those fighting for human rights (including Tory human rights, by the way) hasn't been enough to make you see through this callous bunch of sub-human miscreants, let alone Brexit, the PPE, the nepotism, the mismanaging of Covid, and the demonisation of anyone who isn't ex-Oxbridge/Eton/posh and rich, I don't know what will.

Maybe when your NHS has gone and you're having to pay for your treatment or watch your loved ones die because a) you can't afford treatment and b) there are no medics left, maybe then you'll understand what you've done. Or maybe not. It took the poll tax for my Tory-voting mother ("because her mother always had") to finally understand the Tories. I have a chronically disabled friend who's dependent on PIP (or would be if it wasn't for her husband's salary) and SHE still votes Tory, despite her benefits being cut and cut, and her having to defend her long-term neuro condition every couple of years, "because her mother does".

More people didn't vote Tory than did, but under our outdated FPTP system, they got in.

We now have the third unelected Tory PM in a row. (Or is it the fourth? I lose count.)

The blethering nonsense about Tories understanding what a woman is, is just that - nonsense. They understand what a woman is when it suits them, and that mainly involves what the Nazis used to call Kinder, Kueche, Kirche, if you'd care to look it up on Google and see exactly where we're heading next.

And as others have pointed out, the Trans legislation and everything attached to it was put up by the TORIES, not Labour or any of the other parties.

To use Hartlepool as the perfect red wall example - back in the nineteenth century, during the Napoleonic Wars, the good folk of the town hung a monkey because they thought it was a spy. That pretty much sums up the ability there, and in other red wall towns, to think logically about what voting in a bunch of toffs and hangers on is likely to do to their lives. They'll just obediently do what the Sun and the Daily Heil tell them to do, never understanding for one minute that those papers are owned by overseas magnates who have their own reasons for wanting to destroy what's left of the UK.

I have no sympathy, none, for people who voted in the Tories. If those voters are rich, I can understand it, though I still despise the "I'm all right Jack" mentality of it. If they're poor, I hope they're ready to watch their kids suffer. I'm part of one of those generations that will never, ever, ever forget being poor under Thatcher; and this lot are far, far worse.

I DO, however, have sympathy for those (like me and many who are far, far worse off) who've ended up, yet again, with a bunch of entities who are subhuman, incompetent, insane by any normal measure, and beyond misogynistic and misanthropic. Oh, and if any Tories reading this don't believe me on the misogyny, just look at the policies they've introduced since they came to power. Although that would require actually looking at the evidence and looking outside your cosy little bubbles.

I know I'm wasting my keyboard strikes. I know I will never, ever be able to make dyed-in-the-wool Tories understand.

But that doesn't stop me trying.

(And before any snarky types who've overdosed on their daily smart ass pills come on and ask me why I don't do stuff in real life, I do, thanks, and so do the rest of the household. What's your excuse?)

Cillery · 25/09/2022 14:15

SpinningAlwaysSadly · 25/09/2022 09:37

I know. Some of the autocorrects are bonkers. I use the preview pane a lot more these days, and still manage to go wrong.

Anyway, who’s being naive? What have they done?

Made the U.K. open for investment.

Cillery · 25/09/2022 14:52

Believeitornot · 25/09/2022 13:27

I didn’t say I agreed with Truss. I was just using her phrase.

She and those who support her are greedy and have written a narrative to justify their greed. They have enough to live on plus several lifetimes more and yet it still isn’t enough. She and those around her are unhappy and bitter and keep trying to grab more for the likes of them.

You obviously have no understanding of economics and the need to open up our economy. What this country desperately needs is investment and a low tax economy will stimulate investment. You can quote Ghandi all you like but he was a mystic not an economist.

CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 14:59

Cillery · 25/09/2022 14:15

Made the U.K. open for investment.

Like they did with the Russian Oligarchs? And now Russia is the enemy…

How exactly have they opened up the UK for investment?

Why don’t you think they’ve actually opened the UK up to exploitation? And they don’t care?

Liz Truss is all about freedom apparently. She wants “no instructions”. A recipe without instructions is a recipe for disaster.

Plus, Freedom is not for Free. Truss must pay a price for the freedom she seeks. Adhering to “instructions” (otherwise known as the Rule of Law) is, like taxes, a small price to pay for the stability to enjoy freedom. Too much freedom and not enough ‘rule of law’ risks instability, corruption and chaos.

Don’t be so open minded that your brain will fall out.

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CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 15:08

Cillery · 25/09/2022 14:52

You obviously have no understanding of economics and the need to open up our economy. What this country desperately needs is investment and a low tax economy will stimulate investment. You can quote Ghandi all you like but he was a mystic not an economist.

Gandhi was a qualified lawyer… and political ethicist.

Appears you have a problem with the rule of law and ethics.

Even if Gandhi was a mystic, he successfully led the Indian independence movement to victory. And now India is a superpower in its own right. Don’t write off the mystic…

Some argue that mysticism is relevant to Truss’ economics. Did Truss swear an oath? Appointment by a monarch (by the grace of God)? 🧙‍♂️ 😝 Mysticism gets around…

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Lonelycrab · 25/09/2022 15:16

Made the U.K. open for investment

Investment which looks like it has had a massive downturn since 2016

Pretty much all the comment on this mini budget, from left right and centre seems to be saying this is a massive gamble, and that this approach has never worked in the past. The market clearly not impressed. Still, hedge funders like Odey (apparently quite a good friend of KK and JRM) seem to be making an absolute killing right now, don’t they….

Coincidence, thatHmm

To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?
Qisk · 25/09/2022 15:51

Cillery · 25/09/2022 14:15

Made the U.K. open for investment.

As someone on Radio 4 said on Friday - It is like seeing a mountaineer dangling of a cliff edge and shouting up "Don't worry....I am going to invest in the rope industry".

It will take 10 years before the Investment Zones are completed and housing staff with NIC exemption. No prizes for guessing which type of companies will occupy those to save on the PAYE bills.

jgw1 · 25/09/2022 17:00

Cillery · 25/09/2022 14:52

You obviously have no understanding of economics and the need to open up our economy. What this country desperately needs is investment and a low tax economy will stimulate investment. You can quote Ghandi all you like but he was a mystic not an economist.

Sounds like the start of a campaign to rejoin the EU to me. Good luck with that at this time, I think it would be better to wait another 5 years to start that project.

CurseOfBigness · 25/09/2022 17:10

Cillery · 25/09/2022 08:56

The level of nativity here is also astounding!

In calling others naive are you claiming to be wise yourself?

I say, you’re being incredibly naive to believe that Truss’ economics will open the UK to investment without risk. Remember the Russian Oligarch investments? Now Russia is classed as the enemy…

If foreign investment is what you think the UK needs, then you need to also read up on British Empire history. Who is justifiably upset by how their country was treated to make Britain wealthy before? India was not called Britain’s jewel in the crown for no reason.

Foreign investors won’t necessarily be loyal to British interests. Especially if they hold a deep seated grudge about colonial history (did you not see what was trending on SM when the Queen, who appointed Truss as her last PM, died?). Better to address the troubling economic history too while Truss is on a campaign to open the UK up to investment.

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Lonelycrab · 26/09/2022 06:18

Really quite an achievement that! Crash your own currency to historic lows within the first few days of the jobSad

Where’s this going to stop? Pound now at $1.05 and falling.

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