To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

[CurseOfBigness]

“Mr Cameron adds that a lot of people had put their trust in the Conservatives for the first time and Boris Johnson was right to say the job now was to cement that trust and govern for the whole country.” - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50755004/page/7

This stood out to me at the last general election victory. David Cameron recognised the vulnerability of the majority won by Boris. Truss’ government ought to be reminded and heed the warning.

Truss shows very little understanding of how important that trust is for uniting the whole country (hence the majority win by Boris, not her). Whole country means not just the privileged few who disproportionately benefit from her government’s economically unwise mini-budget (Pound sinks as investors question huge tax cuts).

Both Truss and Starmer have not been tested in a general election in their own right. At least they have something in common…

AIBU - To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

I don't understand why Rayner wasn't got rid of a long time ago. On a whole, the Labour party are far too reactive rather than proactive. They need to be more ruthless. Corbyn should never have been allowed to lead for a second election he had literally no chance of winning. They need to be hyper-focused on winning general elections. That is literally all that matters. Anything that hinders them from doing this needs to be ruthless pruned from the party within minutes of it happening. There are far too many people in the party that are far too happy having endless meetings, and talking, not doing.

Yes I think Johnson shall be making a return and right now he must be feeling very please

But they do vote for a party who line the pockets of their pals over say, the health and well-being of children. You can’t vote Tory and take the moral high ground, I’m afraid, even if you don’t call Labour voters wankers.

Given current projections have Starmer as PM after the next General Election, why exactly does he need to sort anything out?

All anyone seems to have been talking about this weekend is the car crash that Kwasi Economics served up on Friday.

Toxit can't come soon enough.

Absolutely agree

Where is that drive to win, the belief that the party can make a difference and trying to gain voters confidence. As soon as Blair became leader of the party Blair, Brown and Campbell started the election campaign

If Boris had paid attention in a few more meetings perhaps he would still be Prime Minister.

It’s usual for the opposition to be leading in the polls

the lead hasn’t been particularly impressive given this past year

Labour always have to work harder to win an election sitting back as things are ok simply because the Tories are messing things up for themselves is not good enough and shouldn’t be relied on

Its foolish to write the Tories off we still have another two years to go

I don't think Johnson even attended many meetings.

Proven by the article after his resignation and before he left just titled "Boris attends meeting"

That shouldn't be a surprise or newsworthy!

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

I have no doubt Johnson is raising a glass this weekend. But I'm not convinced he'd get quite the welcome from either MPs or the public he might expect.

Look at the last 2.5 years. Covid, Partygate, Johnson’s protracted clinging to power, the interminable leadership contest, the Queen dies. Johnson has sucked all the oxygen out of politics for three years now (thanks whoever said that) and this week has been the first week of normal politics we’ve had since Starmer became leader. Rachel Reeves was on fire yesterday, how about we give them more than five days before we write them off?

I don't understand why Rayner wasn't got rid of a long time ago. On a whole, the Labour party are far too reactive rather than proactive

Why are you trying to draw attention away from the govt you support, onto Labour? Micro analysis and character judgement like you somehow have the answer…when you’re supporting this bunch of charlatans! Stop thinking about that and ask yourself why we seem to be completely fucked, as a country right now.

Seems we may be heading down the plug hole economically, lead by a fucking bunch of muppets but no, let’s talk about AR.

The government run the public sector. The Tory government have been running the public sector for 12 years.

but in this time Labour should have always been streets ahead in the polls

and they simply were not time and time again it was handed to them on a plate to step up

as a Labour party member and voter (apart from under Corbyn) I expect and want better

i really do not understand your five days comment surely that applies to the Tory party at this point not Labour

Precisely. Blame everyone except the people whose fault it is.

No, that was a different government. Liz Truss has only been Prime Minister for a really short time and is getting on rapidly with tackling the key challenges this country faces, mostly how to make the rich richer.

i really do not understand your five days comment surely that applies to the Tory party at this point not Labour

We’ve had five days of normal politics in the last 2.5 years. It applies to all the parties.

I am not a Conservative. I have voted Conservative in the past, but have voted Labour more times. I fully expect Labour to win the next election and I will more than likely vote for them unless they go completely off the rails. But they should be winning more often, they shouldn't have to wait for the Tories to implode. They need to aim to become the natural party of government, not the alternative for when people get sick of the Tories.

Florenz I agree.

They have been limp wet lettuce's on the cost of living crisis.

A few wet media sound bites here and there.

I've got lots of information flooding at me at every day.
Work information, two school information, clubs, doctors appointments, hospital appointments for 4 of us , ( lots of other bitty things).

The only person who filters through to me with really strong messaging is Martin Lewis.

Well except for the cap on energy prices, and the payments that are being made to help.

Why, given you know about both of these would you lie so blatantly and pretend that the government were not helping?

Why can none of you on the left ever be honest?

@TheRubyRedshoes Which party put before parliament a set of proposals in January to tackle the cost of greed crisis?
And which party voted against supporting people at that time?

We need more than people not voting or spoiling their vote. We need tactical voting to get the tories OUT.

The cost of domestic heating and electricity has more than doubled in a year in the UK. And you think the government are helping people.

How much has the cost of the same things gone up in France?

@Florenz @TheRubyRedshoes have you noticed there isn’t actually a general election any time soon? Its not for quite a while.

Why can none of you on the left ever be honest?

That’s bit rich when the biggest liar in politics has just moved out of Downing Street.

I often wonder if any political researchers look at forums because free and honest information is flooding out. Information people pay money to gather.