To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

[CurseOfBigness]

“Mr Cameron adds that a lot of people had put their trust in the Conservatives for the first time and Boris Johnson was right to say the job now was to cement that trust and govern for the whole country.” - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50755004/page/7

This stood out to me at the last general election victory. David Cameron recognised the vulnerability of the majority won by Boris. Truss’ government ought to be reminded and heed the warning.

Truss shows very little understanding of how important that trust is for uniting the whole country (hence the majority win by Boris, not her). Whole country means not just the privileged few who disproportionately benefit from her government’s economically unwise mini-budget (Pound sinks as investors question huge tax cuts).

Both Truss and Starmer have not been tested in a general election in their own right. At least they have something in common…

AIBU - To think Truss’ government has lost the trust of people who voted Conservatives for the first time at the last general election?

Well it is Mumsnet! 😂

Why does Mumsnet software always change things! Naivety - another go!

Interesting at the Labour Conference the biggest cheer was when Mike Lynch called for Keir Starmer to resign

I know. Some of the autocorrects are bonkers. I use the preview pane a lot more these days, and still manage to go wrong.

Anyway, who’s being naive? What have they done?

Attendees at party conferences aren’t representative of ordinary voters. Lynch just wants Starmer to support strikes, he’d have no issue with him if he pitched up on a picket line.

@kikisparks ”They can’t do this though because an SNP coalition will be seen as putting Labour over a barrel with respect to a further independence referendum. This would put those who don’t want Scottish independence off voting Labour. I don’t feel this way as an independence supporter but can recognise others will.”

I wonder if it’s the Brexit supporters who are against the idea of Scottish Independence?

Maybe Scotland feels the same about the UK just as those Brexit supporters felt about the EU.

Hypocrisy.

Labour are the main opposition but they’re not the only alternative.

Credible links to support your points?

From what you’ve listed, you’ve not probed Labour policies… just added your own biased interpretation, taken the sound bites that make them look bad and probably lifted from the DM. And that approach of demonisation also puts off centric swing voters like me - because I want to truth, not propaganda and manipulation from the right wing press.

Example: Promote peace - which is a polite way of saying let's demilitarise so we can give that money away as hand outs....see above UC.

You’ve taken ‘Promote Peace’ and immediately applied your very biased interpretation of what you think that means. It does not necessarily mean demilitarisation or giving handouts.
The monarch is key to military, so it’s not entirely up to the government anyway; Starmer seems smart enough to know that the monarchy and military go hand in hand.

I tend to take this traditional view…
‘“If you want peace, prepare for war” (usually interpreted as meaning peace through strength—a strong society being less likely to be attacked by enemies)’ - www.hudson.org/research/10155-address-if-you-want-peace-prepare-for-war-u-s-military-pre-eminence-and-why-it-matters

I’d be seeing which party promotes a stronger society (and economy).

At present, Truss’ government is being divisive both socially and economically. A weaker society is bad strategy all round.

At least Boris’ victory in 2019 went some way to unite the whole country. He understood where his majority victory came from. Truss takes the majority victory for granted because she never earned it in her own right as PM in a general election.

@SpinningAlwaysSadly and @YetAnotherSpartacus

Seems to me that the Trans rights movement has gained momentum in more recent years… it wasn’t as big before or wasn’t as well publicised at least.

The conservatives have been in power for the past 12 years. The trans rights you’re talking about has actually been enabled by the Conservative government, not Labour.

Didn’t Self-ID come under Teresa May?

Maybe Labour have recognised that the Conservatives are playing for Trans votes…

Seems to me that the Trans rights movement has gained momentum in more recent years… it wasn’t as big before or wasn’t as well publicised at least.

The conservatives have been in power for the past 12 years. The trans rights you’re talking about has actually been enabled by the Conservative government, not Labour.

I don't disagree. The movement gained momentum during the time since the Tories have been in office and the Tories initially mostly totally enabled this and have now backed off whereas Labour have amped up the volume.

My own view is that I'd rather put my energy into changing Labour and other parties and supporting allies there than supporting the Tories.

I could never vote Tory and I am not a single issue voter or campaigner on sex/gender issues or anything else (waits for someone to come over from FWR and demand a list of my priorities again).

I think the poster is refering to those who think that Labour have no policies.

When in fact as far as I can tell the government has no policies beyond trying to work out what they can do to make the rich richer today, even if it means contradicting what they said yesterday.

As I’ve said before the Tories always always stand for the rich. I’m tired of them pretending otherwise and I’m glad Truss has done this.

It shows up those previous Labour politicians who crossed sides, it shows up Red Wall politicians.

I want politicians who are not ashamed of who they are. Now it’s Labour’s turn. Tax is not a fucking sorry word, to steal Truss’s line about profit. Tax is the price for a stable society.

I want to go back to a clear fight. The middle way doesn’t work. It was only ever cover for Conservatism or Tory-lite nonsense.

*dirty not sorry.

On the contrary, the SNP had more Brexit Leave voters than any other party in Scotland.

A significant chunk of the SNP support believe independence out of the EU is true independence and within it is not.

Likewise, a lot of Scottish Unionists voted Remain in 2016 and really didn't like the SNP hijacking their vote as a means towards independence.

So, you were wrong.

Totally agree. I really despair. This budget will lead to so much suffering for many people on middle/ lower incomes. I would imagine more than 50% of these people will be women due to them having to take employment with fewer hours or lower salaries due to caring responsibilities disproportionately falling on women.

Truss takes the majority victory for granted because she never earned it in her own right as PM in a general election.

A very strong sentence and is so true. And I do believe it's at the route of her reckless decisions.

She is using the "I wasn't voted by the public" to say "I do t care what the public think and I don't owe them anything policy wise because they never asked me to do anything manifesto wise"

Bold and brave.

Totally agree. I really despair. This budget will lead to so much suffering for many people on middle/ lower incomes. I would imagine more than 50% of these people will be women due to them having to take employment with fewer hours or lower salaries due to caring responsibilities disproportionately falling on women.

I totally agree with this.

Impending poverty for hundreds of thousands is upon us and people are more worried about the (frankly) remote possibility of someone (they see as) the other sex out of public toilets.

But this is a strawperson and a minimising of real issues. I don't believe that you don't know that the concerns that many, many women (and their supporters) have about what is known as 'the trans issue' but is really about women's rights and the safeguarding of children.

@YetAnotherSpartacus Do you think that plunging millions of families into poverty is a children's safeguarding issue?

Do you think that plunging millions of families into poverty is a children's safeguarding issue?

It is related to the preventative element at least.

So I am sure that we can agree that the Tories have been appalling at safeguarding children and that it would be impossible for anyone else to do a worse job.

Sorry sparctacus no, I genuinely didn’t realise that this was more important to people than poverty.

Sorry sparctacus no, I genuinely didn’t realise that this was more important to people than poverty.

Please tell me where I said it was?

So I am sure that we can agree that the Tories have been appalling at safeguarding children and that it would be impossible for anyone else to do a worse job.

Of course it would not be impossible to do a worse job :). What a silly thing to say. King Herod did a worse job for a start :)

As I have said in previous posts on this very thread I loathe the Tories and would never vote for them. I also think that women's rights matter and that gender ideology is very dangerous.

If you go back and read my posts properly and hop over to FWR where I am being castigated for the exact opposite thing you'll begin to glean where I stand with all this.

If you will excuse me, now, though, I have to throw some toy mice for my cats.

Tory's have done nothing to safeguard children.

They introduced GiD

They haven't funded education - which safeguards children

They've not protected the Nhs - which safeguards children

They've made the poor poorer - which puts children at risk

They've allowed cases of TW raping woman be dismissed on the basis a woman can't rape a woman and this happened because TW were allowed on woman's spaces.

They totally removed all sure start centres a decade ago which placed many families and children at risk as these were a lifeline for many. For all they spout about getting better higher paid jobs they cut the services such as surestart centres where parents could get childcare for education and learn new skills - including those who don't have English as a first language as well as cutting funding to libraries which are a great place for early reading skills, research, access to the internet - which again improves education and outcomes.

The only thing the Tory's are interested in safeguarding is the riches money. If you have money the above services don't matter.
If you don't have money and can't access the above services required to improve outcomes - you are choosing not to better yourself.

I'm becoming more and more angry everyday at their complete and utter contempt for anyone who doesn't earn over 150K or donate to them.

@Believeitornot ”I want politicians who are not ashamed of who they are. Now it’s Labour’s turn. Tax is not a fucking sorry word, to steal Truss’s line about profit. Tax is the price for a stable society.”

Truss said that profit is not a dirty word. I agree. But there’s a difference between profit (good) and greed (bad). Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins… that wisdom exists for good reason.

‘There’s enough for everyone’s need but not for everyone’s greed’ - Mahatma Ghandi (relevant given he had experienced the impact of British greed in India and on the Indian people).

Truss is being Greedy (big G) and promoting Greed… she has demonstrated little insight into how greed is definitely a dirty word. Greed is classed as a sin…

^”Greed is classed as a sin…”

That is, a Deadly (big D) sin.

Well that is an interesting insight.

I actually thought the Scottish Brexit vote was largely ‘Remain’.