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AIBU friend comparing us all the time

214 replies

FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 20:38

I'm not sure if I'm just being a hormonal grump or whether my friend is being unreasonable at this point

NC due to my old account being quite outing

Background -

My best friend of 15 years had her first baby 5 months ago, I had my first baby 4 weeks ago

Since being pregnant she has been low key comparing us and at the time it was awkward but not annoying, it's now getting to me

Examples -

She was very sick in her first trimester, I didn't have any sickness at all - constant comments about it, 'oh you're so lucky, I couldn't even go out in my first trimester' 'I wonder if you'll feel as great in your second trimester since you didn't have a tough first trimester like I did'

Her DH is a bit of a prick (whole other story) and refused to do any SPL, my DH couldn't wait to share the leave and we are doing 50:50 (6months each), after we spoke about that I had weeks of 'oh you're so lucky your DH could take the time off work' (I did at the time think, your DH could also take the time off but refuses to as he thinks his job is more important than yours - he has said that)

She had a pretty shit birth, ok really shit. She asked for a c section and was brushed off, she didn't fight it. Ended up with 4th degree tear, surgery, due to being separated from her DD for ages due to the surgery she wasn't able to establish BF either

I had an elective (as I fought for mine) and was out of hospital in 2 days, and can BF

As you can imagine this has then led to even more comments around my 'luck'

At this point it's annoying me as most of this (except the sickness) isn't luck at all

I chose not to procreate with a twat, I chose to fight for my c section and so many other things she things I'm lucky for.

I was close to telling her it's not luck just better life choices when she was yet again going on about how lucky I am that DH does most of the night feeds, and cleans the house.

AIBU to be annoyed at her constant comparing. I understand her journey to parenthood wasn't fun, but I was there mopping her toilet floor when she was sick in the day (as her DH was useless) going to scans - being as supportive as I could, I'm now just getting pissed off about this insinuation that I am lucky when in most of the situations she refers to it's not luck at all. I just did something different, by choice

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PumpkinDart · 17/09/2022 21:47

Uh distance yourself from the poor woman for her sake, you seem rude and smug and the last thing anyone needs when navigating parenting after a shit pregnancy/ birth/ post natal experience.

Newmum0322 · 17/09/2022 21:49

Agree with almost everyone else, you sound really nasty. You clearly believe you’re superior to this ‘friend’ and it comes across in every post! She’s better off without you.

Also… why bother posting on AIBU if you’re going to find fault with everyone who thinks you are in fact unreasonable (a clear majority!). Time for some self reflection OP!

Cheeseandlobster · 17/09/2022 21:53

toooldtodate · 17/09/2022 20:43

I don't know OP you're post comes across as rather smug

You didn't choose not to have morning sickness - that was lucky

You are lucky your DH can take PL - even if her DH could maybe he couldn't afford it

And god your comment about how she didn't fight for a c section - I'm sorry the tone of your post is quite frankly really high handed, smug and awful - you weren't in the room with her to know how much she fought or not!

This. You come across as very judgy and dare I say it a bit smug. Maybe her dp wasn't an arse until later in the relationship. You sound like feel you are better than her as you are "stronger" and made better choices.

Wisteriaroundthedoor · 17/09/2022 21:56

Op I’m with you, you’re a far superior human, fuck her off, be friendless and smug, go for it.

Natty13 · 17/09/2022 21:57

Ignore the posters telling you you are selfish and think you're better, you clearly did loads for her and everyone has a limit.

You don't understand why she had a child with someone she knew wouldn't chip in, why she didn't push for a c section if she wanted one, why she stopped exercising and said you were lucky to do so etc. What I don't understand is why peiple who are approaching the end of their patience don't say something before it gets too late and they snap (and damage the friendship) or distance themselves so they DON'T snap (and also damage the friendship). Why can't you say something like "Joanne you might not realise yoire doing it but you keep telling me I am lucky for so many things. I have been really lucky in life but the constant comparisons are really getting to me, can you please stop?" ?

Millie2008 · 17/09/2022 21:59

Another classic:

OP: AIBU?

Majority: Yes

OP: No I'm not! (Lists all the reasons she is not BU!

Grin
Wisteriaroundthedoor · 17/09/2022 21:59

Ignore the posters telling you you are selfish and think you're better, you clearly did loads for her and everyone has a limit

nah, ignore this poster,

HappyGoLuckyLuLu · 17/09/2022 22:01

Wisteriaroundthedoor · 17/09/2022 21:56

Op I’m with you, you’re a far superior human, fuck her off, be friendless and smug, go for it.

Nothing smug or judgy here 😂😂

Natty13 · 17/09/2022 22:03

Wisteriaroundthedoor · 17/09/2022 21:59

Ignore the posters telling you you are selfish and think you're better, you clearly did loads for her and everyone has a limit

nah, ignore this poster,

I mean yeah feel free to 🤷‍♀️ I'd have considered myself "lucky" to have a friend who cleaned my sick up and came round every day for 10 weeks to help me in my house tbh.

If they have been friends for 15 years the other person deserves the chance to know she is doing something that makes OP want to distance herself instead of the OP just deciding that for both of them.

sintrawest · 17/09/2022 22:04

I think you’re getting a lot of these comments because although I’m willing to bet an overwhelming majority would feel the same as you in your position, but the way it’s written out does sound a little bit smug and “I’m better than her because I make better life choices”. I don’t think you are smug or think you’re better than her, maybe it’s just having it written down sounds a bit bitchy. Only exception is the C section bit - don’t know the full context of what happened but childbirth is terrifying for a lot of people and I can imagine her not feeling able to advocate for herself in the moment, especially with a crap DP.

I would feel really irritated having to listen to all the luck comments too, but I’m not sure what you can really do about it. You can’t very well tell it straight. I wonder if you could say something about finding it a bit upsetting when she keeps calling it lucky when you’ve had to make some difficult choices/sacrifices/hard work for those results, and it wasn’t easy? Though that wouldn’t work for all examples of courses.

do you confide in her things that aren’t going well for you or that you struggle with?

Some people (myself included sadly!) aren’t as good at making good decisions for themselves and it must be frustrating to others around.

Try and remember her comments are likely coming from envy and sadness about how things turn out for her. And maybe step back a bit if you can’t handle.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 17/09/2022 22:08

For what it's worth I think you ABU. I think in her own way she's trying to be supportive back to you like you've been to her and she's doing it in compliments that you're not taking as compliments, you're taking offence at.

Can you have a chat with her about how you feel and explain how she's coming across to you? It might not stop it but if she's not intending to come across as you're taking it she'll at least have had the heads up about it.

FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:08

HappyGoLuckyLuLu · 17/09/2022 21:18

Eh you probably need to take a break from her so just don't see her for a week or two & during that time come up with some solid "well luck doesn't come into it" responses...

"Um it's not luck that I don't have a dog, I've simply chosen not to"

"Yeah DH taking SPL is great, but it's a choice we all have so wasn't luck"

... etc.

And have a think about elements of her life that you may think are 'better' than yours. Does her Baby sleep better at night or nap better? Does she have more helpful in-laws? Does she have some other kind of set up that you envy? And be ready to let her know how lucky you think she is - you can gently point out to her that some things are better for her - perhaps financially or space in house etc. There must be something.

And if you value the friendship, grin and bear it. Or if this is the start of the end of the friendship then just pull back.

I think this is the most annoying point

Our journey to getting pregnant was so different that I'm almost baffled she has the Gaul to say I'm lucky at this point

I have so many things I could say she was 'lucky' about

She was lucky it took her one whole month of TTC instead of 4 years and spending £15k on IVF

But no, I didn't say a word, even though her pregnancy until we had our BFP was so hard for me to handle emotionally. I hid it because that's what good friends do imo.

Which is why this is bothering me so much I think, the first time I have anything she deems easier or better than she has and it's become such a big issue.

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FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:09

@Sometimeswinning

The term baby moon has been in use for decades

If you want more information on it you can always consult google

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Mwnci123 · 17/09/2022 22:09

Wisteriaroundthedoor · 17/09/2022 21:56

Op I’m with you, you’re a far superior human, fuck her off, be friendless and smug, go for it.

Actually, I have revised my opinion that YABU and now agree with this poster. OP, you should ditch the traumatised loser and
find yourself some friends who have similarly achieved good births purely by dint of their grit and good judgement. I think that would be best for everyone.

FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:09

Bananarama21 · 17/09/2022 21:20

You basically detailed her traumatic birth, her being hospitalised with sickness, you mopping her floor after being sick, how old the child in question is, the baby moon. These are pretty specific details are linked together make you easy identifiable.

You think I haven't changed some details?

Again, do continue with your utterly irrelevant comments

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MindGoneBlankNeedName · 17/09/2022 22:10

I'd be pissed off too. But then I've had periods like this with other situations in my life. It grated after a while when a friend or colleague etc spectacularly misses the mark and repeats something constantly.

Youre not being a bitch, you're venting here because it's anonymous and saves you causing her something else to be upset about during a period which is super difficult for her. None of us think our friends are perfect all time. You recognise she's in a bad place and you understand what causes her to say these things (her life choices and elements outside of her control which any of us would freak about).

Being a bitch would be negging her or sharing things with her other friends or family or colleagues etc. Being a bitch would be calling her out on this during a time when she is probably not in as much control over her insensitive and irritating remarks.

I would pull away for a while, hopefully she will turn to the counselling and start healing. It's wonderful to have the sorts of friends who will be there, mop our puke, listen, be that extra stretch of support - but sometimes we have to hit rock bottom alone to begin climbing back upwards and healing.

Well that's my 2 cents anyway.

FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:10

HappyGoLuckyLuLu · 17/09/2022 21:22

Ah the vipers are out OP - I don't think you warrant the crappy responses that your getting

Thank you Flowers

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FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:12

LL32 · 17/09/2022 21:22

I don’t think you sound smug/heartless/like a shit friend at all. You’re venting your feelings on here and haven’t said these things to her.

She’s obviously made some crap choices and is jealous, which is ultimately quite sad. However being referred to as “lucky” isn’t a compliment and I can understand your frustration.

You both sound like you’ve got into a rut, her being jealous and you being irritated by those comments. Do you think it’s worth maybe pulling her up on it? “Please stop saying these things because I have my share of shit days too”. Maybe open up to her about your struggles as a new mum? She obviously thinks you have everything sorted and picture perfect which understandably will make her feel 10x worse

Thank you for this

I might make more of a point to vent about the shit days and see if that stops it

Even if I have to make things up it will be worth it to get out of this rut as you've said, it's hard to keep smiling awkwardly as she says these things and I'm running out of polite responses that aren't repetitive, as she compares every time we meet up and that's 2-3 times a week :(

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FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:14

Mwnci123 · 17/09/2022 21:33

YABU

I agree with pp that her saying "you're lucky" is possibly just a clumsy way of acknowledging that some things have worked out better for you, rather than claiming to have had no control or responsibility for her own shit. Also, fwiw, there is a big element of luck in your good husband and good birth. I have had similar luck.

Your friend has plainly had a bloody hard start to mothering, and your implication that by not fighting for a C-section she is somehow culpable for having a grade 4 tear is fucking horrible. Your decision to fight (like the deserving winner you are!) was probably informed by her terrible experience anyway.

Who implied that?

I sure didn't

But she sure did

As it's her words not mine around not fighting for it

She has even put in a complaint about her birth and cited that due to being turned down for her section she has had an even worse birth.

I'm not insinuating anything, merely writing what she herself has bloody said - some of you are such hard work on here

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Bananarama21 · 17/09/2022 22:14

How can you change the details that much? It's pretty detail events about a woman. It's pretty specific events. Your continued attitude is awful. She sounds very vulnerable and maybe suffering from post natal depression. You don't care at all about this woman.

Caroffee · 17/09/2022 22:16

Carproblem · 17/09/2022 20:59

At this point it's annoying me as most of this (except the sickness) isn't luck at all

I chose not to procreate with a twat, I chose to fight for my c section and so many other things she things I'm lucky for.

These comments make you sound like a bitch!

Saying to someone "you're lucky" is the polite and easy way way to say "you're better at navigating life than me" without having to get deep into why's and wherefores.
You should be grateful to have a nice friend.

What makes you think the friend is nice? There's no evidence to support this claim.

Bananarama21 · 17/09/2022 22:17

A good friend would sit her down and ask her how she feels, as you think she might be struggling as she seems to be comparing herself and maybe suggest doing something together instead of going on a forum to bitch about her.

FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:17

EL8888 · 17/09/2022 21:41

I had a friend like this, it's super draining and irritating. Her buzz word was mainly easy, but sometimes she would say lucky.

She would say nonsense like it's easy for you as you don't need to spend all your money on childcare -we had over 4 years of infertility and a few rounds of IVF so no errr we didn't! You're luck you can go to the gym, l can't now as l have children. She never went to the gym much pre-children so that was bollocks 🤷‍♀️

Your friends use of the word luck feels like she minimising and often dismissing your choices and decisions. For a c-section then the reality is women do need to fight for them. It shouldn't be like that but it is the reality in a lot of places in this country right now. It's what l will be doing for myself

Apart from the morning sickness part then none of it sounds like luck.For the record right now lm dying of morning sickness at nearly 10pm at night so l know how rough it is

I would distance myself from her, she sounds negative and hard work. I ended up confronting my friend as she got worse and worse. In the end she said she wasn't sorry, wasn't going to change and she didn't care l was upset. Plus was raging as l challenged her

Sorry to hear you had this too, I agree it's draining, and 4 weeks after giving birth it's just not what I'm up for constant comparisons

I might need to bite the bullet and say something at some point as she is showing no signs of stopping, I had hoped it would get better once she had started to heal properly and put her compliant in with the hospital - but no

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StClare101 · 17/09/2022 22:19

Your friend is clearly in a bad place mentally and shock horror is misusing the word “lucky”.

You sound very unpleasant.

FriendWoes · 17/09/2022 22:20

@Cheeseandlobster

What do you mean maybe her DH didn't become a dick until later in the relationship?

He has been a dick since their 4th date Confused

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