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Work full time with teens?

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HappyKoala56 · 10/09/2022 10:24

AIBU to consider a full time job with a teen and pre-teen (13 and 11)? How do other ft working parents manage with kids of these sort of ages? They are ok to stay home on their own for short times and neither are anxious with this, but it would mean 2 hours on their own after school until I get home which feels like a lot. And then what do I do in school holidays? It's a long time to be by themselves, but they don't appreciate all day clubs. I feel stuck in this middle ground of they are too old for childcare but too young for prolonged periods on their own. What does everyone do?
For context I don't HAVE to work ft, hence why I'm not sure if iabu. I have my own business and work part time currently, but I have put all career progression on hold for the past 14 years to be around for the kids and I'm eager to get back on working on myself. Do I leave it another year or 2?
YABU - stay home longer
YANBU - go get that job!

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BiddyPop · 10/09/2022 22:05

I have Dd teen (16) and have worked ft since she was 5 mtgs old (that was May leave t that time).

You just get on and do it.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/09/2022 22:13

you said you paid €2000 at most in childcare at the most and now you pay €250 a week

Really, can you not read?

I paid €2000 per month at its peak.

I then paid €250 a week for most of the time they were in primary school.
Now that I've one pre-teen & 2 teens, I pay no childcare but the other, increased costs outstrip that.

Why I keep explaining to you, I've no clue

EarringsandLipstick · 10/09/2022 22:15

You are choosing to spend more.

JFC. I'm choosing to spend more in the sense of it would be a pretty miserable existence for them with no phone, no activities, no sports.

I don't, however, choose to spend money on food or school books. That's. What. It. Costs. It's not discretionary as I said, my food bill alone isn't far off my childcare costs when they were at primary school.

poster82 · 10/09/2022 22:15

@EarringsandLipstick I simply don't believe you as we completely disagree on what is a necessity so yes I really wouldn't bother trying to explain any more because you have and I still think you're wrong, and you think I'm wrong. So let's just leave it there and let the thread go back to the topic at hand.

BiddyPop · 10/09/2022 22:16

It took a while to build Dd up to being alone at home but luckily we had been working on her coming home from after school alone (from me meeting at the door and at points along the route home to her being happy to come home alone and me arriving in shortly after - and then her coming home alone and me arriving in 20 minutes later.

By the time in equivalent of y5 and a bullying issue meaning she needed to do that 2 days a week (and then 5 days a week on y6) - she was used to it.

Sp when she got to secondary school, she was one of the independent girls who taught the rest of her clas
To get he local bus and get where they wanted to be.

Beezknees · 10/09/2022 22:20

I work full time with a 14 year old. Most people do. My teen is alone 2 hours after school 3 days a week. One day my mum comes in and on Fridays I finish early. I don't think it's a lot.

In the holidays I take annual leave when I can, sometimes DC will go to a friend's house or relative. 1 or 2 days a week they're alone all day. It is what it is, I'm a lone parent so I can't not work.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/09/2022 22:22

I'm talking pre schoolers prior to funded childcare/education,

You missed the point I was making (no surprise).
I was saying that teens were more expensive & giving examples of why / how, in general.

Paying €2k for one DC to start second level is a pretty dramatic cost.

While childcare costs before school are massive, they are also time-limited. If you have several DC, they'll be reduced for periods of time while you are on maternity leave. The highest cost I had was €2000 per month for 3 DC - but I didn't have that cost for years - I didn't have 3 DC for years, obviously.
In contrast the pre-teen, teen years last a decade or so, perhaps continuing into 3rd level (again different system in Ireland, no loans).

To your point above, there is very limited preschool funding in Ireland. It's not the same as UK. When mine were small, I had 1 partially subsided year which helped but actually just offset my youngest creche fees, and so the amount stayed about the same.

Beezknees · 10/09/2022 22:25

Dramachameleon · 10/09/2022 10:27

I would wait another 5 years if I could. I think teens need you more than toddlers really

That's a bit ridiculous. Do you actually think that a 16 year old can't cope if they have full time working parents? I literally don't know anyone whose parents didn't work full time when they were that age. My parents worked, my friends parents did. We all coped somehow.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/09/2022 22:26

poster82 · 10/09/2022 22:15

@EarringsandLipstick I simply don't believe you as we completely disagree on what is a necessity so yes I really wouldn't bother trying to explain any more because you have and I still think you're wrong, and you think I'm wrong. So let's just leave it there and let the thread go back to the topic at hand.

Well, it's not that I think you are wrong

It's that I've provided costed examples from my own life & you've still ignored it.

My food bill and school costs (clearly needs) are more than the total combination of childcare costs at the earliest stage and / or later stage childcare.

That's a fact.

There are other costs which you suggest are wants and I feel it's less clear-cut. But the above are clear needs, and in totality, are more costly than when they were small children.

And I can be so clear about this as I am forensically preparing this so that I can try & get a court order for some support from their father.

Beezknees · 10/09/2022 22:28

I also don't find my teen costs more than when they were little. But they don't really do any clubs. Phone bill is £30pm and then pocket money, clothes, etc. Costs far less than childcare did! I don't spend much more on food either, probably an extra tenner a week.

poster82 · 10/09/2022 22:33

@EarringsandLipstick to be fair I didn't know you were in Ireland when I challenged you and had I believed all your teen costs did come over what you paid in childcare I would have said ah my mistake I am talking UK here as I don't have experience elsewhere, and I do apologise for that, but given how you have defined needs I still don't see how your teens are costing you more than the €2000 a month (bearing in mind the other costs outside of childcare) like that €2000 to set your kid up for school, laptop I assume? Did it have to be that brand? Do all parents pay €2000 to set their kids up to school in Ireland?

poster82 · 10/09/2022 22:34
  • in needs, not the clubs etc.
thebeesknees123 · 10/09/2022 22:35

I work 9-2.30 4 days a week. I find it is about right. My youngest is 13 and eldest is 18. I still feel guilty in the holidays as I do not feel like doing much when i get in and there are loads of chores waiting for me

Darbs76 · 10/09/2022 22:37

I’ve worked full time since mine were babies. From 11 mine let themselves in after school, I’d be home around 5.30-6. So wasn’t too bad. I work at home 2 days a week now, so that helps, but they are 18 (going to Uni) and 14 now, so do their own thing after schools anyway

PaveBeads · 10/09/2022 22:38

poster82 · 10/09/2022 20:47

It's like when people on MN say teenagers are more expensive than pre schoolers, which simply isn't true unless you've got genuinely free childcare like a grandparent, whilst teenagers are expensive, much of it is discretionary unlike the absolute need to ensure your toddler has 24/7 care. Anyone claiming teen years are a harder responsibility to juggle with work are perhaps forgetting that crippling stress of when your child was sick, or when you both needed to go out of town and couldn't physically be there for pick up. Teens are a different ball game, yes it's still hard work; they still need you, they need a lot of shuttling around, but it is not the same as the all consuming dependency young children have on you- if you have an emergency or a curve ball, which for me is what makes younger kids stressful when working, you can get a teen to wait outside, or give them a key or they can get a taxi. The day my eldest could start walking to and from school without relying on me was life changing, and I am not exaggerating in the slightest!

So agree with this!

drkpl · 10/09/2022 22:43

I was left home alone for 3 hours every evening in the week from age 11. I loved it

  • independence and time to myself. When I got a bit older I used to make dinner/clean the kitchen most nights for me and my mum as she didn’t get in until 6:30 ish.
Kanaloa · 10/09/2022 22:51

poster82 · 10/09/2022 21:38

@Kanaloa no one is saying teens aren't expensive, and I don't want to derail the thread although it has only proved my point at how much MN loves to gleefully tell mums of younger kids how much harder the teen years are, but children who need 24/7 care are more expensive, unless you have genuinely free childcare like grandparents you are paying for childcare or reducing your income to do it yourself, both are a cost. This is a NEED, teen clubs, tech and branded clothes are actually a want despite what some people think and there are means to do those things cheaper, not usually an option for childcare.

Full time childcare is also not a NEED. You could just quit work and go on benefits full time and live on the breadline to save that money. Of course that would be miserable and no great quality of life - much like refusing all activities and any tech/branded clothes to a teen, since they’re not NEEDS.

Realistically everything is an ‘option.’ To me, allowing my kids to enrich their lives by building their abilities/talents in extra curricular activities is a necessary expense.

Eeksteek · 10/09/2022 23:15

All the people I know who do it either have have one parent who is school staff and home in the holidays, or manage holidays with a mix of grandparents/aunts and each parent taking some annual leave with only part overlapping. I can’t do any of those things so I’m just doing temporary term-time work. My kid has no siblings, and no really solid friends, so she’d likely be alone all day everyday, and then want to be unbearably sociable when I got in. There is no way she’d be able to stay out if my office if I WFT. I think it’ll be different in a couple of years, but we aren’t there yet.

Noteverybodylives · 10/09/2022 23:33

It completely depends on what YOU want to do.

I don’t actually know any teenager who’s parents don’t work FT and I only know of a handful of SAHP with primary aged DCs, so you are definitely in the minority.

I’m a single parent and have always worked FT.
My DD is now a teen so stays home on her own and she is absolutely fine.
It’s what all of her friends do too.

However, if you don’t want to work FT and you don’t need to them just continue as you are for another year or 2 and then see how you feel.

OnaBegonia · 10/09/2022 23:35

I would wait another 5 years if I could. I think teens need you more than toddlers really
Really? not to work FT until they're 16,18, that's a luxury most ppl can't afford.

BloodyCamping · 10/09/2022 23:40

I would wait a bit longer before being full time. The kids still need lots of input

BloodyCamping · 10/09/2022 23:43

well my kids needed a lot of input at that age but maybe yours won’t? It’s so much easier if relatives live near by and support.

MintyChipton · 11/09/2022 00:06

The vast majority of my 11 year olds friends have a parent or grandparent picking them up from school still.
I'd probably wait until the youngest was 13 or find an alternative for the youngest. DC's school runs a club each night for example.
I'm basing that on the personality of my own DC who's 11 now.

Goldenbear · 11/09/2022 03:41

EarringsandLipstick, I absolutely agree, teenagers for us and in our context, are way more expensive. £2000 childcare is alot, we would not have paid that in the southeast of England when DS was a baby and actually it is fewer years than the teens so a very short but expensive time if full-time. Due to inflation you can't compare childcare costs of a preschool infant with a 15 year old of 2022 as when your infant is a teenager it is very likely that it will be more expensive.

In my context I was on full pay maternity leave for a year and then didn't return to work as DH was working in the day and had to study in the evening as we had DS in our mid 20s and DH had not qualified to be an Architect at that point(many years training), plus DD arrived when DS was nearly 4 so stayed off a bit longer. It was therefore going to be more profitable in the long run for our family income for me to accommodate that as a qualified architect is much better money than an assistant and as my job was a commute to London we couldn't find childcare for those hours or afford it.

My 15 year old has an allowance of £80 a month, he may buy clothes with it but we have to buy him things like a coat and shoes on top. 11 yesr old DD has less but I buy more of her clothes with her. He didn't need an allowance as a young child and the odd toyshop figure once a month was not expensive, the same with toys for Christmas, £40 for a Peter Rabbit tree house as DD's main present, compared with a keyboard the size of a piano so that she can have piano lessons is so cheap! I spend £800 a month on family food now as my DS inhales food, he can't afford to eat less as he is lanky and very thin as it is! We usually get a takeaway or eat out once at the weekend, something the DC would not have eaten when young as too much salt annd they were in bed but now DS at least can eat a whole Thai curry for example. Clothes are retro shops so an be £20 here or there but shops like Urban Outfitters are £50 + for a sweater, Levis £100. Clothes when they were little were H&M or Boden hand me downs from relatives. That doesn't happen anymore obviously. Then the school trips £800 minimum compared too primary school residential of £300 max. School clubs cheap at primary whereas DD wants to do a theatre group that is £330 a term once they are 11, it is half that from 6- 11. DS had an expensive electric guitar for Christmas that he needed for music GCSE!

One of the biggest expenses is university as at DS's age as we need to put quite a bit of money aside for minimum £9000 a year on accommodation - it is only 3 years off!

Holidays with small children- they could fit in a family room with a sofa bed, now it is 2 separate adult hotel rooms which is loads!

You can argue about what is discretionary no doubt but then we had these things when they were little, takeaways, Holidays and food bought from the same supermarket so it wouldn't be an equal comparison as our standard of living would be worse which doesn't make any sense now that are income is alot bigger! Our income is 4.5 xs what it was when I was SAHM and DH was an assistant and yet we don't have loads spare as bigger mortgage for bigger house to accommodate two bigger children, we lived in a one bedroom flat when DS was a baby. Savings for uni, so to us and objectively teenagers are loads more.

Goldenbear · 11/09/2022 03:51

Oh and it is not gleeful it is being realistic. Obviously, my teenager doesn't need £80 allowance but how is he going to do things with friends? I mean in the summer I was wfh so he needed money to take himself and sometimes his little sister out to a cafe or a meal deal to eat in the park to kill some time so I could work. I can't give me DS any less food as he would waste away, maybe different if your teenager needed to watch what they ate. I am like a PP annd honestly find the food shopping bills really stressful!

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