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Pretty shocked....what comes next? Interim care order...

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SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:00

I have posted about this before. I change a few details as a very sensitive issue.

My toddler great nephew has been taken into care today on an interim care order. It has all been pretty upsetting. I was shocked that up until this morning it was understood he would stay with the foster carer that he lives with now as part of a mum and baby placement. This has turned out not to be the case and SS have been scrambling to find a placement for him and have only found one for 1 week. Everyone (except SS) including the judge wanted the case to be adjourned for a week to allow a longer term placement to be found and introductions to be done slowly but the current mum and baby foster carer initially would allow it only if mum could stay too but then changed her mind to not allow it with or without mum there. How upsetting for him to be removed from his mum and his home on the same day and then have another move in a week. Just needed to get that all out.

What happens next? There is over a year until the final hearing and my nephew wants his DS to come and live with him. Any advice much appreciated.

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Newpuppymummy · 31/08/2022 18:05

They will do viability assessments on any family members.If they are positive and all parties agree then your nephew could move to a family member before the final hearing.

Original poster
SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:10

Newpuppymummy · 31/08/2022 18:05

They will do viability assessments on any family members.If they are positive and all parties agree then your nephew could move to a family member before the final hearing.

Ok, thank you. Do you have any idea what this would involve?

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Hotandbothereds · 31/08/2022 18:10

SS will look at the suitability of other family members, where’s his dad, is he around and why hasn’t your nephew been placed with him?

Are other family members in a position to put themselves forwards?

Ponoka7 · 31/08/2022 18:14

Since your original post did he get a Solicitor? The viability assessment is about your DN meeting his son's needs, as was said on the other threads. Are you sure that you are being told the full truth? Are you speaking to the SW?

Ponoka7 · 31/08/2022 18:14

Or have you already made it clear that you couldn't have him?

OurChristmasMiracle · 31/08/2022 18:15

SS will do a parenting assessment on both parents and both parents will be able to put people forward to look after the child. SS will assess anyone who has been put forward. Depending on reasons for the child being removed psychiatric and psychological assessments may be ordered for one or both parents along with drugs testing if there is need for that.

Contact should be arranged for both parents and may be supervised visits at a contact centre. Parents should make sure they are having regular contact and attending on time and in a fit state to engage with contact. There may be a signed contact agreement with the centre in regards to behaviours/suitability for contact such as contact being refused if under the influence of drugs or alcohol or abuse to staff etc.

Testina · 31/08/2022 18:15

Why isn’t it a relatively simple action supported by SS for your great nephew to go immediately to your nephew?

PicaK · 31/08/2022 18:17

Is this the one where the nephew has been previously violent to girlfriends?

titchy · 31/08/2022 18:17

Testina · 31/08/2022 18:15

Why isn’t it a relatively simple action supported by SS for your great nephew to go immediately to your nephew?

You need to read OP's other post. As I recall SS are supervising the father's contact in a contact centre. OP doesn't know why this is, though he has admitted DV in a prior relationship.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 31/08/2022 18:19

Am I right in thinking you're the poster whose nephew is only able to see his son for 3 hours a week at a contact centre? Did you ever get the full/real story on why that was? You're going to get a lot of posters asking you some variation of "why can't he live with his dad?" so would be best to just give the full context to this up front.

Testina · 31/08/2022 18:20

Thanks @titchy - I was just coming bank to post “ignore my question” as I searched after @Ponoka7 ’s posts.

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 18:23

PicaK · 31/08/2022 18:17

Is this the one where the nephew has been previously violent to girlfriends?

Yeah, at least one of them.

Merryoldgoat · 31/08/2022 18:23

Why has SS not put him with his dad? There must be compelling reasons.

Merryoldgoat · 31/08/2022 18:24

Oh ffs

bellac11 · 31/08/2022 18:27

Just as a pedantic aside (I havent read your previous posts because I have no idea how to search someones previous posts), but if the judge wanted a hearing adjourned, it would have been adjourned.

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SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:28

Ponoka7 · 31/08/2022 18:14

Since your original post did he get a Solicitor? The viability assessment is about your DN meeting his son's needs, as was said on the other threads. Are you sure that you are being told the full truth? Are you speaking to the SW?

I'm purely venting about the situation and just asking what comes next. I was wondering if there would be a LAC review soon etc. I'm not looking to get into the ins and outs.

Yes, he has a solicitor. She is challenging the parenting assessment and believes it will be successful.

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SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:34

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 31/08/2022 18:19

Am I right in thinking you're the poster whose nephew is only able to see his son for 3 hours a week at a contact centre? Did you ever get the full/real story on why that was? You're going to get a lot of posters asking you some variation of "why can't he live with his dad?" so would be best to just give the full context to this up front.

Yes, that's right. I only really wanted to know the process not get into the ins and outs. The solicitor thinks he has a good case, but I was just looking for what to expect next.

Why can't he live with his dad? He failed the parenting assessment. It was felt he wasn't emotionally stable enough. There was also concern around arguments with the mum in front of the DC.

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Soontobe60 · 31/08/2022 18:34

SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:28

I'm purely venting about the situation and just asking what comes next. I was wondering if there would be a LAC review soon etc. I'm not looking to get into the ins and outs.

Yes, he has a solicitor. She is challenging the parenting assessment and believes it will be successful.

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You’ve avoided the questions regarding the child’s father. Is the reason why he is only allowed supervised contact due to previous DV?

bellac11 · 31/08/2022 18:34

Its difficult to say what comes next if you dont know the 'ins and outs' and unless you have PR you wont know anything that isnt told to you by one of the parents.

LAC reviews are held for all children in care at set intervals dependent on the circumstances, there should be one 28 days after any placement move UNLESS the IRO feels they dont need one

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SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:37

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 18:23

Yeah, at least one of them.

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It was only to one. I say only but of course one is one too many. This was when he was 17. I believe he has grown and matured since then. He was also at the time mentally unwell (he ended up as an inpatient so pretty serious - it was triggered by his mum completing suicide). He has worked on his mental health through medication and therapy.

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bellac11 · 31/08/2022 18:38

Soontobe60 · 31/08/2022 18:34

You’ve avoided the questions regarding the child’s father. Is the reason why he is only allowed supervised contact due to previous DV?

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To be fair to OP she is very unlikely to know this. If she is not a party to proceedings she shouldnt be reading or having sight of any of the court documents including assessments.

If she is not party to discussions she can only go on information from someone who has PR

Its often very convenient and easy for parents to say 'Im not allowed to see my children because of previous DV' but its often more complex than that. Previous DV does not always mean a child cant see a parent unsupervised. The supervision needed for children is about current risk, the parent perhaps presenting as unsafe or more likely as happens they cant be trusted to say the right things to children. If this is a baby, it might be that observations of him and his care of the child are poor, not picking up on cues for feeding, changing, cuddles, letting baby sleep or letting baby play etc etc. Its not a straightforward thing.

PainsandAches · 31/08/2022 18:38

Ah so your domestic abuser nephew didn't get to go into a father and Baby placement in the end

Shocked

Said no one

Original poster
SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:39

bellac11 · 31/08/2022 18:27

Just as a pedantic aside (I havent read your previous posts because I have no idea how to search someones previous posts), but if the judge wanted a hearing adjourned, it would have been adjourned.

She did want it adjourned on the basic the little boy had somewhere to live, however it was then made clear this wasn't the case so there was no choice. You can't force a foster carer to continue to look after a DC.

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SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:41

Soontobe60 · 31/08/2022 18:34

You’ve avoided the questions regarding the child’s father. Is the reason why he is only allowed supervised contact due to previous DV?

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Only because I had all this on the last thread. I am just asking for information on the process which some posters have kindly given me. The process is the process I assume no matter all the personal details.

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SplashparkSummer · 31/08/2022 18:43

bellac11 · 31/08/2022 18:34

Its difficult to say what comes next if you dont know the 'ins and outs' and unless you have PR you wont know anything that isnt told to you by one of the parents.

LAC reviews are held for all children in care at set intervals dependent on the circumstances, there should be one 28 days after any placement move UNLESS the IRO feels they dont need one

Thank you and would the parents attend this meeting?

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