to worry about transgender ideology being pushed on kids

[HopefulRose]

Noella McHaher is a ten year old model whose parents said she “self identified” as a girl at the age of two. Her parents are also trans.

If my two year old identified as a smoker, I wouldn’t allow them cigarettes. Why is this movement so hellbent on putting children into boxes instead of letting them just grow up without defined labels?

Speaking generally, there is a link between children who “hate” their biological sex and child abuse. Children who have been SA sometimes self harm as a way of trying to prevent further abuse. I’m worried that these signs are being missed.

am I alone on this?

I don't think for the majority it's to do with them being sexually abused at this point.
It's just a massive social media trend that's going waaayy too far at this point that it's damaging kids. I do believe there are genuine cases of people being born in the wrong body but no where near in the droves this is happening. I think maybe these people just wish to belong to something, a cause and end up sucked in and a bit brainwashed. Same way people get in to a gang or a religious group.

YANBU.

It’s a combination of social contagion, those with an agenda to push (Stonewall, we’re looking at you), with a very small minority who are actually trans.

It's the vegan cat.

God what bullshit the child has become a beacon for trans kids as a model jeez what a time to be alive

I dont think anyone can decide they are transgender at two ,a two year old barely knows the difference between a girl and a boy ,I do find the trend worrying I now know of three families in my circle of friends and extended family, where a teen has identified as a member if the opposite sex ,in all three families there is a history of autism and I understand there is a link between autistic girls believing they are the wring sex .

My theory is it's a way of finding belonging for many young people (obviously not a 2yo but primary and secondary ages for sure). When I was that age (back in the day, I know!) we chose from a handful of bands to favour, everyone watched the same soaps, there were fringes of grunge, metal etc but they were still mainstream. We went to the shop and bought a record - there was almost a finite amount of things we could choose from. As humans, most of us want to belong to a group, to identify.
Now, there's soooo much choice, absolutely everywhere. For kids to find someone who likes the same music, artist, hobby, fashion, it's needle in a haystack. But our gender and sexuality, there's a much smaller list to 'choose' from. I fully understand there are trans people and there always have been. But now it's presented as something to explore and discover and pick what feels right. The amount of young people who have flitted (and are still flitting) between who they like, what they want to do with their bodies etc is so massive.
SO that's my theory - we had it slightly easier when I was a teen. You were straight, gay, bi, tomboy, whatever, it wasn't a point of discussion because it wasn't the most important identifying feature about ourselves. Our sexuality and gender didn't make us interesting.

I was watching the beatles doc recently (the six hour one before the rooftop concert) - I wasn't alive then but the clothes were very gender fluid, George Harrison rocking skintight pint trousers and a fur coat but he's straight (ifaik?) and no one thought anything of it, did they?

Didn't they have the whole Gender Bender thing in the 80,s?

You write of "cases of people being born in the wrong body", but what might this even mean? It's obviously a metaphor: people aren't "in" their bodies the way their heart, lung, cervix or prostate are; nor are they "in" their bodies the way they might be in their bedroom or their place of work ... but what on earth is it a metaphor for?

So far, I haven't come across any attempts to explain this that actually make any sense. Can anyone help?

For full disclosure, I do think "born in the wrong body" is a peculiar kind of nonsense. But if anyone can make any sense of it, perhaps they might like to share their explanation?

If it is, as I suspect, just a simple load of nonsense, it goes without saying that it shouldn't be told to children as though it does make sense. So, no OP, YANBU.

Honestly it's getting so bad. For example I went to a sort of induction day for parents as my little one is starting school this year and they had a long talk about how the school uniform is gender neutral when it's dresses and trousers ect

I have first hand experience of being what was classes as non binary in my teens I was part of a gay youth group and because of my 'identy' I got free trips out met famous people in stone wall ect

I wore a chest binder and had short hair and the amount of attention and love I got I understand why young children/ teens will go into this..

Now almost 30 complete opposite have a family but I know two people from that group that had surgery regretted it and one in a mental institution due to the effects of not identifying as the opposite sex anymore.

It scares me as back then it wasn't as big as it is now socially.

George Harrison rocking skintight pint trousers and a fur coat but he's straight (ifaik?) and no one thought anything of it, did they?

But no one said George Harrison was trans for wearing non-stereotypically masculine clothes. Whereas now you have clinicians in gender services saying that children must be trans if they prefer clothes or toys that are seen as being for the opposite sex (the one I’m thinking of most prominently was a girl who was called “trans” because she liked Thomas the Tank Engine).

If nothing else, the rigid enforcement of gender stereotypes is so unbelievably regressive, I barely know where to start. And that’s before we get to the homophobia of saying, for example, that a lesbian is “actually a trans man”. Pushing people to transition so they’re effectively straight again is fucked up beyond all words.

The problem is that adults that have transitioned then encourage younger children to transition. It's a very wobbly house of cards and it will collapse, we are already seeing 1000 families suing Tavistock/GIDS.

The trans adults want the next generation to transition as children as it affirms their own choices and possibly provides a bigger pool of trans people that have been indoctrinated since pre puberty. Same with parents of trans kids . It's in their direct interest to promote transgenderism and encourage other children to do it. Because if they even start to think that trans isn't real, they have to then face up to the fact that they have taken their barely legal teenager abroad to be castrated and that's all on them.

Because if they even start to think that trans isn't real, they have to then face up to the fact that they have taken their barely legal teenager abroad to be castrated and that's all on them.

And, in the case of her from Mermaids, potentially made a career out of pushing an ideology that’s harming children. So you can see why they’re screaming until they’re blue in the face that the emperor very much IS fully clothed, because they have so much to lose.

It isn't any kind of coincidence that these stories of children who socially transition very young invariably have trans or trans activist parents.

The idea of trans toddlers is just ridiculous. This is something that should be on the radar of social services. However, I suspect they are shit scared of getting involved.

Your not wrong to be worried about it OP. It seems like we have taken such a step backwards with gender stereotypes - if you like wearing certain clothes then you must be a girl! If you like wearing your hair short and enjoy sports then you must be a boy! Children are just perfect the way that they are and its so frustrating that we seem to be determined now to put them into ever more rigid boxes.

What I find even worse is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to have an open conversation about Trans ideology and what this means for the health and wellbeing of our kids without being shouted down as 'anti-trans'.

There was certainly a lot of male musicians in the 70,s and 80,s that had long hair and wore makeup some of that was glam rock and Boy George and Marilyn later came out as Gay ,but it was never insinuated they were anything other than male

I do remember that phrase from school but it was a bit of a catch all for anyone who wasn't 'traditionally boy or girl' stereotypes. Like when I had my hair cropped short and was asked if I was a gender bender? But it wasn't asked with an agenda or didn't seem to be.

What I find even worse is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to have an open conversation about Trans ideology and what this means for the health and wellbeing of our kids without being shouted down as 'anti-trans'.

Which is why everyone needs to keep asserting their rights of free speech. No one gets to shut this conversation down.

I don't understand how a toddler is allowed to make ANY decisions, let alone about something so massive as what gender they are? If you gave a two year old the choice, I'm pretty sure they'd eat ice cream and chocolate for every single meal, but you wouldn't let THAT happen would you? So why are they allowed to dictate what gender they are?! I can't work it out it's actually bonkers!!

I suspect they are shit scared of getting involved.

Yep. The fear that organisations and individuals experience is very real and we know many have been "cancelled" for even questioning the trans mantra.

I think there are some parents out there who see their child do something that is stereotypically not associated with their gender and go “oh well they must be X inside!”
show me a 3,4 year old who doesn’t like glitter and bright colours!
I was a bit of a tomboy growing up - hated dresses because it stopped me from climbing trees without showing my knickers, which of course wasn’t ladylike according to my mum! I preferred my hair short as I didn’t like the feel of my hair being pulled back tightly. I was rarely a ‘clean’ little girl.
If I was a child today I’m sure someone would plant the “maybe you’re really a boy?” seed!

Relieved to see another trans thread on MN. It'd had been a whole 20 minutes.

Relieved to see another trans thread on MN. It'd had been a whole 20 minutes.

So these kinds of situations shouldn't be discussed you think? Interesting. Why not?

Gender bending was a thing in the 80s. This was about hair, makeup and presentation. It was never about surgery and hormones to literally try and change sex (which isn't possible to actually do anyway). Gender benders didn't generally plan to damage their bodies / become infertile etc. Im not sure that many young people who decide to physically transition understand the extent of the damage they will be doing to themselves though.

So do you believe 2 year olds can be trans? Why can't it be talked about?

Try engaging with the post rather than complaining. No one is forcing you to read.