to worry about transgender ideology being pushed on kids

[HopefulRose]

Noella McHaher is a ten year old model whose parents said she “self identified” as a girl at the age of two. Her parents are also trans.

If my two year old identified as a smoker, I wouldn’t allow them cigarettes. Why is this movement so hellbent on putting children into boxes instead of letting them just grow up without defined labels?

Speaking generally, there is a link between children who “hate” their biological sex and child abuse. Children who have been SA sometimes self harm as a way of trying to prevent further abuse. I’m worried that these signs are being missed.

am I alone on this?

'Even when she was two, she said she’s not a little boy.

I went to school with a girl who spent her days pretending she was a horse until she was around 10. Another boy ran up and down the corridors pretending to be a car for a long time too. They didn't let him drink fucking petrol 🙄

Yes, this.

It worries me very much. My autistic 9 year old is gender no confirming but he's still a boy. He's already had adults confusing him by telling him he's a girl.

Oh yeah I totally agree with you there. I don't know when the message of accepting who you are and learning to love your body ever changed so much, especially when you're talking about children, pre teens and teenagers who are notoriously uncomfortable in their own skin especially when puberty starts

I don't get it either @SidewaysOtter (about the different approach to treating types of body dysphoria). ASAIK anorexia is a type of body dysphoria, but if an emaciated anorexic presented at the GP saying "I think I am very fat and hate my body", the GP would of course not affirm this and say "well go ahead and fix that by not eating." Instead they would be referred for treatment and care which would hopefully try to tackle the underlying causes of the dysphoria.

*AFAIK I meant

@Sunnyqueen

What do you mean "born in the wrong body"? Does this just apply to trans people or does it include physically disabled people as well?

When I was a toddler I frequently said I wanted to be a boy. I told everyone I wanted to be a farmer or a builder when I grew up. I also wanted to be a princess and only wear pink dresses and be a nurse when I grew up. No idea what I'd be transitioning into now if I'd have been born recently.
I agree with others that it's along the lines of gender/body dysmorphia. If I said that at work I'd be pulled up to HR. I hate that as a society, we can't have an honest discussion about it, being respectful and tolerant of all views, without having "TRANSPHOBIC" screamed at you. You should never bully anyone with your ideology, regardless of what that is.

Children are being used to legitimise and sanitize the life choices of adults.

Why else would children need to be made sexless and sterile and lifelong medical patients, yet adult males can say they are 'women' without changing a thing about themselves and most keep their fully functioning penis and can still reproduce.

Why would any adult think performing a radical double mastectomy on a healthy teens breasts or a hysterectomy which they know will cause long term damage by putting a women though menopause so young. (Bones, brain function, heart health etc etc etc etc), would be a better option than helping the teen come to terms with their sexed body by actually finding, the causes of their dysphoria and mental distress?

They also conveniently ignore that the majority of children who present with dysphoria actually grow out of it. The 'cure' is the very puberty they want to opt out of. You know, the natural, normal process of the body and brain maturing.

Excellent post.

There is a great deal of truth in this otter!

I've got a 4-year-old boy that sometimes insists he's a girl. If I was one of those parents I could quickly agree and push him towards being trans and he wouldn't know any better.

Do you know why he thinks he's a girl? Because he has an older sister he idolises and likes to try on all her pretty outfits. Who wouldn't want to wear a swirly skirt and paint their face with makeup when they are 4? It's fun to play dress-up.

It's horrifying that there are a lot of people who are going along with this because they think it's harmless and anyone questioning is being mean and transphobic. It's anything but harmless, it's just they haven't had to face the reality of what this ideology does yet.

It needs talking about and all the people that try and shut down conversation should really think about why. Why can there be multiple threads about Meghan Markle, parking, MILs, etc but when trans is mentioned everyone needs to shut up and go away?

Why can't it be talked about? What's so special about this subject that it needs to be sectioned off into a dark little corner so people don't read about what's happening?

If someone tells me I shouldn't think or talk about something, I want to know why.

For whoever asked "how have we go to this" I think it was Keating? Apologies I'm useless on this and can never remember how to quote or tag people.

But check out the Denton report, very illuminating

What do you mean "born in the wrong body"? Does this just apply to trans people or does it include physically disabled people as well?

This is never answered.

It is almost like those saying 'born in the wrong body' realise where it goes if you extend it to other groups. And then you have to ask, why is this group treated so very differently, yet demand to be treated as 'just like the sex they feel'.

The dissonance alarms then clang until either they seek to find more information and 'educate' themselves and make up their own mind (because anyone repeating that trope has heard it from someone else) or someone assures them that there is no dissonance here, it was just a temporary glitch.

And being born in the wrong body? What a load of bollocks.

Unless you believe in a soul, how can this actually happen?

Are disabled people born in the wrong body? Ugly people? People with other mental health issues?

If it's not a mental issue and not a physical issue, what is actually being treated by the NHS?

It's a mental health issue being obfuscated by people with a vested interest in the subject.

On other sm anything other than complete acceptance of trans ideology is viewed as transphobic and will be banned.

Its very hard to have a rational discussion.

Parents will say things like the op (my toddler knew they were a boy and said the doctor would make them one) and it absolutely cannot be challenged.

Anything other than twaw is not accepted. Its easy to see how people become indoctrinated into that way of thinking.

Why can't it be talked about? What's so special about this subject that it needs to be sectioned off into a dark little corner so people don't read about what's happening?

Why indeed.

If someone tells me I shouldn't think or talk about something, I want to know why

Yep.

For whoever asked "how have we go to this" I think it was Keating?

Yup that was me. Appreciate the reply.

The Denton report is chilling. I still can't quite fathom how the strategy worked so well. People are clearly easily manipulated.

www.childlawproject.ie/publications/interim-care-order-for-transgender-teenager/

A case recently in Ireland. I watch these with interest to see where Ireland is going with this madness. Social services were trying to send the child for assessment with a clinical psychologist to assist with the mental health aspect of gender dysphoria.

Why can't it be talked about? What's so special about this subject that it needs to be sectioned off into a dark little corner so people don't read about what's happening?

Because that cognitive dissonance can only be quietened so many times.

And because every single time this topic is discussed outside of the 'Special dark little corner' those who support gender identity theory unquestioningly, find they cannot answer the questions, cannot provide evidence to support their statements and resort to emotional manipulation, name calling, denigration, slurs and generally any distractive technique they can apply to hide the fact they cannot answer the questions or provide robust evidence beyond ' because it is a kind thing to do'.

There was that document released by the US Trans Law project last year or before too. It was almost a copy of Dentons. It specifically said, 'avoid discussing sport, because once people discuss sport, they are not going to be persuaded that people can change sex'. (my paraphrasing)

As in people who think that because they were born in a female body but should have been born in a man's quite simply or vice versa.
I used that line because it seems to be the go to line trans people use to say how they feel about their dysphoria. My point was I agree that there will be a tiny minority who genuinely do feel that way from birth but not the masses we have now. The ones who do say it no I don't know how they would answer the disability argument and I don't really care either way if they have an argument or not does not affect me in the slightest.

No point trying to argue with me about it I'm very happy in my body always have been, always will be as a straight female.

At school? I thought this was no longer allowed.

I'd like to try and answer the question as to why things have come to this in the Uk.
I am bringing up my kids( now teens) in a different country on the continent and am also from a different, mixed race background.
One of the things I love and miss about the UK is in my opinion one of the reasons this agenda has taken hold so well( aside from the obvious Anglo Saxon association with to the USA).
The Uk is a flexible country, it is accepting and will quickly modify its customs within a short space of time. A lot of the country will get behind whatever is of the moment, whether it be a new food or a policy. Dietary needs and preferences are catered for, nationwide, hidden disabilities are known about as well as mental health , people can work part-time, change jobs, start up their own businesses with relative ease. There are so many examples, especially when you live somewhere where these things are not available.
If you live in a place where change takes multiple generations, where tradition and religion is so strong and important that to change and adapt takes forever you appreciate lots of things about the Uk.
However, a country that is inflexible also will not allow a movement such as the trans ideology to take hold with such ease. Where primary school classrooms are straight off the Anne of Green Gable's set, and children have to be silent at school and walk in line, it doesn't leave much room for drag queen story time.
I hope that things in the UK sort themselves out regarding this issue. I do believe though that the people who are pushing this agenda have been taking advantage of the good will of a society that is open minded enough to not immediately squash them.

It specifically said, 'avoid discussing sport, because once people discuss sport, they are not going to be persuaded that people can change sex'. (my paraphrasing)

Wow, that's very interesting

I've thought for a while now that sport is where it's all going to come tumbling down.