to worry about transgender ideology being pushed on kids

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Noella McHaher is a ten year old model whose parents said she “self identified” as a girl at the age of two. Her parents are also trans.

If my two year old identified as a smoker, I wouldn’t allow them cigarettes. Why is this movement so hellbent on putting children into boxes instead of letting them just grow up without defined labels?

Speaking generally, there is a link between children who “hate” their biological sex and child abuse. Children who have been SA sometimes self harm as a way of trying to prevent further abuse. I’m worried that these signs are being missed.

am I alone on this?

People who are really trans would rather have felt at ease with their body than going through all this rigmarole.

In this particular instance, the question is whether a two year old is in a position to state they are not at ease with their body.

YANBU, I agree completely. Massive red flags in all these dysfunctional families.

The whole ideology is built on a tissue of lies, and is wreaking devastation for children and adults alike, especially women.

Transing children should be illegal. We’re heading for the mother of all public scandals with this agenda - God knows how much will be paid out in compensation by the NHS in future years when all these poor kids realise they made huge mistakes.

Stonewall and Mermaids should be shut down.

For full disclosure, I do think "born in the wrong body" is a peculiar kind of nonsense. But if anyone can make any sense of it, perhaps they might like to share their explanation?

It actually, to me, cements the movement is an ideology/ religion. It’s very much the idea of a soul floating around in a body rather than them being one and the same. We accept that all other mental illnesses are of the body - hard wiring issues I guess. But Trans is no longer an illness or condition. But simultaneously it’s not a choice. So it’s a belief? A spiritual feeling?

This is worth a read

pitt.substack.com/p/true-believer

So you’d rather that the harm that’s being done wasn’t talked about - the harm to children and young adults who are taking puberty blockers that have irreversible side effects, the harm to those who speak up being howled down as “terfs” and “transphobes”, the harm that’s done where people lose their jobs and livelihoods for going against an ideology?

It’s a huge scandal and it NEEDS to be talked about. Again and again, if necessary.

There's a story about a trans 10yo. And this is Mumsnet so get a clue. We're interested in the topic.

The child's voice is so last year.

Think of all the adults who swapped genders and are not regretting the phase and suing the clinic that promoted the crap in the first place.

All this pronouns crap, promoting trans to very vulnerable teens and young children feels like grooming and child abuse

YANBU

For the odd out there how can you decide if a 2 year old is at ease in their own body. Have a listen to yourselves. Children question. teens question but when adults immediately shove the wrong body agenda then the adults are being abusive to the child.

@SleeplessInEngland exactly what I thought!
as for gender neutral uniforms - that benefits the girls as much as anyone else. Lots of schools have a skirts for girls and shorts/ trousers for boys policy which is outdated.

I think we need to normalise feeling uncomfortable with your body as a pre teen/teenager. Practically everyone I know was uncomfortable with their changing body, especially from a female perspective having to deal with periods, bras and shaving body hair etc. If someone had suggested to me I was uncomfortable with it because I was in the wrong body and that there was a way out of the discomfort by transitioning there's a very good chance I'd have taken it.

Yes for a small number of people the discomfort is due to dysphoria but plenty of others it's not.

"The problem is that adults that have transitioned then encourage younger children to transition. It's a very wobbly house of cards and it will collapse, we are already seeing 1000 families suing Tavistock/GIDS."

They should also prosecute the parents for allowing the nonsense in the first place.

Exactly
"think we need to normalise feeling uncomfortable with your body as a pre teen/teenager. Practically everyone I know was uncomfortable with their changing body, especially from a female perspective having to deal with periods, bras and shaving body hair etc. If someone had suggested to me I was uncomfortable with it because I was in the wrong body and that there was a way out of the discomfort by transitioning there's a very good chance I'd have taken it."

Practically everyone I know was uncomfortable with their changing body, especially from a female perspective having to deal with periods, bras and shaving body hair

Exactly. I was a 32D aged 12 and sure as hell I was uncomfortable with that. That didn't mean I was actually male.

Having said that, this is about two year olds, which is a whole other level of crazy.

They should be getting social services in for child abuse.

Seriously this whole trend has gone too far but as the movement is so powerful no one will, or can, argue against them. Same situation which allowed Jimmy Saville to abuse kids. As he did so much charity work & shook hands with the royals a blind eye was turned by many.

*Seriously this whole trend has gone too far but as the movement is so powerful no one will, or can, argue against them

I honestly cannot fathom how we got to this stage. Can anyone shed any light?

The trouble is that for even well meaning people, who try and stay neutral, it's creating a thing to worry about.

Children who grow up with disordered eating and issues with their bodies around weight can come from families who tried extremely hard to push the healthy eating narrative or from people who allowed their kids to eat badly. The best attitudes are found in people whose parents make good choices without much fuss. The idea you would ask your child regularly if they were happy with their weight would be a sure fire way to make sure that they gave their diet more headspace than was healthy.

Now we have kids being asked ALL THE TIME how they feel inside and how that corresponds to gendered stereotypes. You used to be able to have days where you felt you didn't fit in or noticed you were the only girl in the computing club, without so much weight being put on it.

It's all so unnecessary, it has taken the worries of a tiny group of people, who tended to have grown up in sexist households, and spread it to the whole population.

I am at a loss. If I made death threat's against someone I would be arrested but somehow they manage to getaway with it by threatening JK Rowling.

It has become a cult..maybe if it stops getting the media attention it will die down a bit but the child grooming going on is just ridiculous.

Trans ideology goes hand in hand with reinforcement of negative and regressive stereotypes. Anyone championing trans ideology is deep down saying that girls/women should be soft, feminine and only like pretty things and boys/men must be strong, masculine and be into sports.

It's fucking nuts and I can't believe that people of reasonable intelligence buy into it.

I was a "masculine" girl. Short hair, BMX, climbing trees, exclusively wore boys clothes, joined the army, hated having periods. At no point in my life did I ever think that made me a boy/man because the message I grew up with was that being my version of me was perfectly fine. Kids now are being bombarded with the message that if they don't confirm with stereotypes they can't possibly be a boy/girl and must be the opposite. How the hell people think this is right I have no idea.

I have a theory that my generation (X), the one before me (post-war Baby Boomers) and subsequent generations look back in horror at the fight for race equality, sex equality and gay equality. We can’t fathom why so many stood against it when it made no difference to them in the grand scheme of things.

So when a new oppressed group came along, we fell over ourselves to demonstrate that a) we weren’t like our predecessors because we wanted everyone to live freely and equally, and b) we were willing to extend rights to anyone who wanted them.

Unfortunately we picked the wrong cause to do this for because it DOES have an effect on another marginalised group - women - so then you get into a “my rights are more important than yours” bunfight, plus the intentions of some of the proponents of trans rights are distinctly shady and self-interested. Throw in people who don’t want to accept that they’ve been wrong or sold a lie, plus a cohort of people who have grown up having everything their own way and who see any obstacle in their way or any opinion other than their own as an existential threat to their very existence and we get…this.

YADNBU

So when a new oppressed group came along, we fell over ourselves to demonstrate that a) we weren’t like our predecessors because we wanted everyone to live freely and equally, and b) we were willing to extend rights to anyone who wanted them.

Yes I do think that's playing a part in it and agree with your other points.

I also think the women who the march of trans rights affects most, via the erosion of sex designated spaces (prisoners, abuse victims, orthodox religious) are very low in the pecking order in society, so few actually care that they're being compromised for the new woke cause.

You could say the same for the non neurotypical girls that hugely over represented in those transitioning.

Depressing as hell

Yeah was going to pick up on that point too, you can't be born in the wrong body, you are your body, it's a ridiculous notion. I guess people mean there are people born with an over whelming case of body dis-morphia where they are really uncomfortable in their sexed body and want to be the opposite? That's the only thing that makes sense really

YANBU, as a parent of a DD that likes traditionally 'boys' stuff, it is terrifying that someone might be get hold of her and convince her there is something 'wrong' with her.

DD is also awaiting an ASD diagnosis, so a classic case.

When she was born, I was of the opinion that gender stereotypes were on the path towards being quashed. I dressed her in trousers and trainers so she was free to play. Bought books about dinosaurs and space. Had I known that stereotypes were soon to be seen as somehow essential, I think I would have steered down a different path TBH.

Abigail Shrier who wrote the book Irreversible Damage, said in interviews about children with sexual abuse and autism as being indoctrinated online.

I guess people mean there are people born with an over whelming case of body dis-morphia where they are really uncomfortable in their sexed body and want to be the opposite? That's the only thing that makes sense really

What I don’t understand is why gender dysmorphia is treated differently to any other dysmorphia. If you went to your GP and said you wanted your legs amputated, you’d be sent for psychiatric treatment. But those saying that gender dysmorphia should have psychiatric treatment before any further steps are howled down in a hail of “It’s conversion therapy!” I don’t see why one is blindly affirmed and the other is treated as a problem to be addressed.