To think it's acceptable for my DN to wear a body suit with no Bra?

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I would like some perspective on this please. Niece is 17 wearing an all in one body suit with no Bra on holiday, bra size is 30 a/b. Occasionlly you could see nipple through top.
Is it acceptable for family member to tell her to put a top on over bodysuit to cover up?

I was a teenager in the late 70s. Most of us were braless under vest tops or t shirts, and bras weren’t padded or wired anyway, so I find my teenage dds worries about nipples showing surprising.
Your niece is in a top, just with no bra, I wouldn’t bat an eyelid at that . I think it’s totally fine.

She should be free to wear whatever makes her comfortable and happy without judgement and without bossy family members telling her what to do. I didn't wear a bra until I was in my mid 20s. No need and I liked the simplicity and freedom in the summer. And from about 17 I swan and sunbathed topless with lots of confidence. Is going topless not a thing anymore? I was a confident and mouthy teen but would have been mortified if an adult had told me to cover up because someone can see the shape of a nipple. Don't let anyone bring her down with negativity.

Tell the person to stop staring at other peoples breasts?

Love how people pretend that a man's nipples are the same a woman's. Okaaay then.

So on that basis, if you were having a big BBQ in the garden, with lots of friends, family and neighbours, if your Mum stood next to the BBQ chatting with your neighbours, and she was completely stripped to the waist, you'd think that was totally comparable to your Dad taking his vest off?

Or, if your full breasted 15 year old stood chatting to Barry from next door, completely topless, that would be exactly the same as your son having no t-shirt on?

We all know IT'S NOT THE SAME, so stop with the game playing.

Depends entirely what country you're in and the context. (e.g. in a country where nudity is common on a beach, or in a smart restaurant or religious site where norms more are conservative )

It could be entirely normal or extremely disrespectful to the people around.

@BorschtBitch perfectly said! Having many male friends since childhood thanks to my older brothers, I know what they would think of this. One of our neighbours kids dresses like this. She is 16 and yesterday almost caused a crash in road when out walking (we were attempting to leave our driveway). A guy in his landscaping truck was so busy looking at her chest that he almost swung into us, he was completely oblivious of the fact that my other half was shouting at him. I don’t know what it’s like to have smaller size breasts but I would love them as I could wear a lighter bra, not something that feels like a chastity belt for my breasts 🙈 Unfortunately life has changed a lot, especially since the pandemic and it seems to have brought out the worst in some and how they treat young girls and women. For those of you who read the news daily, you will know what I mean. It’s a difficult deciding to make OP, you don’t want to make her feel bad about her breasts either. Glad I am not in your shoes.

It is a nipple, not a bum hole.
Completely inoffensive.

I doubt anyone in your family will be grateful for your intervention OP.

You should write for the Daily Mail OP - they get all excited (probably in more than one way) about pointing out a celebrity's "side boob" - the shock of it all. Dear gods, women have breasts, with sides and, fans self vigorously, nipples. I thought about being a farmer once but the thought of all those giant udders on show was just too much for my delicate self.

It is tacky as far as I am concerned.

Just like I don't want to see ''camel toes'' or these silly extra tight lycra shorts that some male cyclists wear that show off their ''package''...

The message that ''you should always be able to wear whatever you want'' is rather nonsensical and also very naive.

In reality we have social conventions. So that for example we don't expect to see people in bikinis or their underwear when shopping at the local supermarket...or someone in an office wearing pyjamas and slippers.

I would say it is the same thing here. It is not about ''body shaming'' to say that if you choose clothing that clearly show the outline of your nipples you are potentially going to attract some unwanted attention and you will not exactly look stylish and classy...

If that was my daughter I think I would mention that to her and then leave her to make her own decision. Because I would feel that if I had not brought it up I would actually be letting her down. I know full well we don't live in a world where what women wear does not influence how they are perceived.

Women have nipples shocker.

OP are you the niece in question?

Love how people pretend that a man's nipples are the same a woman's. Okaaay then

How did you manage to misread the OP and think she was talking about someone walk round half naked, @TortugaRumCakeQueen?

@InquiringMinds - let me get this straight - you think that a 16 year old girl is responsible for a man crashing his truck?
That is serious misogyny there - how about he learns to focus on the road when driving and not some teenager's tits?
What a lecherous arsehole.

This.

Niece is not a child, she is 17. She's on holiday, perhaps somewhere holidaymaker clothing is more relaxed. (I frequently go bra-less on holiday, mostly because I'm nice and relaxed, and nobody I know on a casual basis is likely to see me, but local clothing codes (eg on the way back from the beach) are more relaxed.) She is decently covered, by which I mean her primary and secondary sexual areas are clothed. Men don't get this shit because we don't eroticise male nipples, and because they aren't considered secondary sexual parts.

Is she likely to get harassed for going braless? In the vast majority of likely holiday spots, almost certainly not. She's 17 though, old enough to make that decision and then deal maturely with any outcomes. Your 'family member' needs to stop gatekeeping for her and allow her to do things her own way.

Bra-less is absolutely on trend at the moment. I went to a couple of festivals over the summer and hardly any bras around. What i think was interesting is how their peers seemed completely unfazed. Its not as if boys were staring because they werent, but to gen x and boomers I think we worry about stuff like this more and it doesnt have the same connotations.

Saying that, i had a catsuit at that age and i wore it with nothing underneath. My nana was horrified.

Speak for yourself - I'm more than capable of behaving in an appropriate fashion regardless of what people wear. Everyone will be judged by someone at some point for what they wear - people judge other people. Skirt too short, skirt too long, top too tight, trousers too tight, trousers too baggy, hideous shoes etc. etc. So what. People need to learn to keep their opinions to themselves, with the possible exception of giving a compliment, but only where appropriate to give one.

Jeez InquiringMinds, I think your friend should just throw an abaya over her wayward 16 yo daighter. With tempting tits like that, she really doesn't want to throw distractions and temptations in front of men on the street. She is, after all, and as all women are, entirely responsible for men's behaviour, right?

An all in one body suit (and presumably something on the bottom half) is not a equivalent to someone wearing pyjamas in the office and I would say is entirely appropriate attire for a warm holiday. If it's a strappy one it would be hard to wear a bra under anyway.

There are so many straw men being set up here there's going to be one hell of aa bonfire in a minute.

This is barmy.

Women have breasts and nipples. The shape of which can normally be seen through clothes.

Men in tight jeans have the shape of their penis and balls on show.

I find the current fashion of short shorts off putting because practically no one looks ok in them imo.

But if the wearers enjoy the feeling of air between their cheeks, that is their business and I wouldn't dream of saying anything.

@InquiringMinds What a shame that you grew up with a bunch of misogynistic twat men who determined what was acceptable for you to wear.

@TortugaRumCakeQueen but that's the point! We've been conditioned to think it's acceptable for men to walk around topless, but not women!
So when her nipple is slightly visible it is being compared to a penis!! Even you must realise that is ridiculous?

And, for clarity, she's not even bloody topless! She is wearing a top! And her relative has decided that is too much on show?!

On a hot summer's day men are allowed to walk around topless, in a pair of shorts, while women are expected to wear 2 tops (underwear and clothing) and we all just accept this bullshit!

I would say it is the same thing here. It is not about ''body shaming'' to say that if you choose clothing that clearly show the outline of your nipples you are potentially going to attract some unwanted attention and you will not exactly look stylish and classy...

Thank FUCK some of us don't care whether or not strangers think we look "stylish and classy"! Comfortable and bra-less for me thank you. At 41 no less.

Totally acceptable.

Just back from Spain and there were nipples everywhere, why are we so prudish. Most of the little kids were naked on the beach and I'd say 90% of the non English women were topless. No one cares.

My kids were a bit horrified at first but then it became a non issue / nothing to notice it's just because they weren't used to it.

I hate it when people are smuggling peanuts but if anyone can get away with it it's young women with A-cups boobs!!