To wonder why men hate women so much?

[YouAreNotBatman]

Violence againt women, sexual harrasment.

Controlling women bodies.

Women’s sexuality: frigid prude if you don’t want sex, slut if you.

Porn, sex ”work”.

All the MRA’s, mgtow, incels etc.

Even historically speaking they have no reason to be angry at women, women never had any power, mostly tried to accommodate to men’s demand/ wants, I think it still goes on.

Many women still tip toe the line to placate men.

What reason do they have to be so angry at women?

I don't know but I can honestly say that if I was physically stronger than a man , i'd have had a lot of fights because I wouldn't have just timidly walked away from confrountations.

They do have reason to be angry at women if you want to look at it that way

They want sex. They think women hold that power. They think women control them by giving or not giving up sex

They're conditioned to believe that women owe them sex.

I dont believe the majority of men hate women though but most of it comes down to attitudes about sex

There's that famous quote.

Men are scared women will laugh at them(reject them)

Women are scared men will kill them

You will soon have the Not All Men brigade coming along to berate your thread title even though it's blimmin obvious you don't literally mean all of them.

But yes. Enough Men Are Like that.

Tale as old as time and so many of us are very tired of it.

You make a good point as to why those who hate women feel that way. I'm confident in many case's it'll have lots to do with women being perceived sexual gatekeepers.

Actually, snd based on my live experience and many other women I know /

Too Many Men Are Like That

They hate that we can gate keep whether they have sex or not. And also that they literally wouldn’t exist without us.

@Topgub

It’s a great quite.

But also, isin’t time then to raise the boys to know they are not entitled to sex?
Pretty tall order now with the internet porn and kids growing up on it, but still…

Also, how true is it really.
I mean adult virginity is like 1%, so it’s not like men don’t have sex.
And, as long as they son’t care - and they don’t seem to care, they could get a sex worker ( I don’t support this to be clear).
But it’s not like men aren’t having sex.

*quote

We need to be more angry with men.

98% of sexual crime is committed by them, they do eff all about it.

@YouAreNotBatman

Women are as guilty of being mysoginist as men

Women also say things like oh she was asking for it, they shut shame.

They say they worry their sons will be falsely accused of rape rather than worry they will rape.

Most don't.

I can only think it's some kind of primal jealousy or insecurity around the fact that we carry/birth the babies. It's the only 'advantage' I can think of that we have over them and I do get the impression that (some) men see it as us having some kind of power they can never have. Of course it doesn't feel to women as though having babies gives us advantage or power, quite the opposite actually, but I honestly don't know what else it could be. Power over their sexual needs being met? But then the same could be said in reverse and women generally don't seem to hate men for not sleeping with them I genuinely don't know OP, I wish I did.

I think there’s a certain sort who hates the fact that most women feel entitled to equality.

Perhaps they were not raised correctly?

Google for research?

my own DP is lovely btw

Ultimately I believe it comes down to the knowing deep down that they don't know whether they're going to be conned into using their resources to raise other men's children. They can never tell for absolute certain that their kids are their own unless they control us completely.

And it becomes cultural. Men control women: it's what happens. So fathers end up controlling daughters, boyfriends control girlfriends, brothers police sisters' behaviour (the shovel talk? As if they have a right to decide that).

It became pervasive.

Women need to do more
They need to stop tolerating abuse

How did dick pics become a thing? Why wasn't that shut down immediately?

So many women must just accept receiving them wothoyg a word of complaint.

Look at the threads on groping in a marriage /cat calling etc

Lots of women saying they love it, they like being desired

The major abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism) all arranged themselves predominantly around the needs and desires of men, and the worship of men (or male-avatar figures, i.e. a male god, prophets, saints and so on).

We've had 2,000 years of huge chunks of the world being arranged around these three religions. I genuinely think a lot of it comes from the cultural and societal impact of this.

Lots of women are happy not having equality

Theyre absolutely fine with their ohs being the cave man provider

It's the patriarchy, and the gender (word chosen carefully) inherent within that.

From almost the minute children are born, we treat them differently. We reward boys for being rufty-tufty playfighters, we expect them to be loud and energetic and to take up space, we show them how to treat their sisters and the little girls around them. We then let them grow up in a porn-soaked society where the promise of sex is everywhere, except it's not, it's gate-kept. (Completely agree @YouAreNotBatman I thought we were getting somewhere with some of this stuff but porn has set us back hundreds of years).

I think though to answer the question, the internet has allowed all sorts of people to get together in ways that they just haven't before. You see it on here in a positive way, strangers will rally around a woman in a bad situation to empower her to change it. Men who hate women are doing exactly the same thing in their corners of the web. I think some men always hated women but society worked to keep that reasonably contained. Now it's socially acceptable, because we've changed how 'social' works.

@Topgub

I know that women try to police other women’s sexuality.
Personally the only people who, back in the day, mocked me for being a virgin were other women, I recieved all kind of name calling too.
And then the other end of spectrum with slut shaming.

Some of you said it’s about children, but so many of them don’t seem to care about their own kids (deadbeat dad’s etc) or is it just about sperm, ”my dna” kind of thing.

And that men would be angry cause now there are women out here who want equality, but misogyny goes so much far back than that.

I agree many women actively play a part in the patriarchy and absolutely benefit from it.

As a pp said however most men do bugger all to improve situations created by their sex for the benefit of their sex.

I don’t think that men automatically hate women, but I do think that many, maybe even most, would like to control them. You just have to look at every documented culture in history to see that men dominate society through physical strength, and that they use that domination to control women, to limit their access to education, to political power, to autonomy . I suppose it stems ultimately from the sad truth that most men prefer sex with women, and that they need women to bear children .
The last few decades in Western societies have been an anomaly for women. My great grandmother was able to vote in the last decade of her life. My grandmother was an adult before she was first able to vote. My mother was the first woman in her family to be educated above secondary school, greatly against the wishes of her father ( my grandmother had money of her own from an inheritance - another fairly recent innovation- and was able to pay for it, though at great emotional cost).

I was able to go to university, although at my university there were five women’s colleges, and more than thirty men’s. I was still asked at interviews if I was married or had a fiancée, with the strong suspicion that I would give up work to look after children. The availability of reliable contraception on the NHS meant that my denial was accepted as a real possibility. Sex before marriage was beginning to be acceptable, without being branded as a n amateur prostitute.

I saw the first woman Prime Minister, and the first women priests in the COE.

I never thought that I would live to see so many women’s rights being minimised or overridden for the privilege of men. That men can access women’s private spaces, their places in women’s roles, merely by saying that they are women. That the very word Woman would be i d’ici able by politicians and church leaders, and that women would be threatened with rape and death for saying that women are adult human females.

I think that many men have harboured resentment at women’s freedom, and at their successful use of that freedom, and that they are fighting to reduce or eliminate it. I don’t know what motivates the Stella and Caroline’s who enthusiastically join in.

@NightmareSlashDelightful
not just them , I’m afraid. Suttee and bride burning in Hindu societies ( at least the Christian governors tried to stop it)

I’m either very lucky or completely obvious to these type of “men”.

Many women allow themselves to get treated poorly by not speaking up or walking away from a bad relationship.

*oblivious not obvious FFS

They say they worry their sons will be falsely accused of rape rather than worry they will rape.

TBH this an argument I see coming from men rather than women and yet a man is statistically more likely to be a victim of rape than falsely accused of rape but men are surprisingly unconcerned about those statistics. I think they see the reputational damage of the accusation as being more traumatic for them than rape could ever be which is why they are not horrified by rape statistics generally.