Is this how men talk? Is this acceptable? Met police court case

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What police 'allegedly' talk about when discussing rapes, DV victims, people with disabilities.....

www.lbc.co.uk/news/met-cops-sent-racist-and-sexist-whatsapp-messages-to-wayne-couzens-group/

"Detectives found material on the WhatsApp group stored on an old phone belonging to Couzens, the former officer who was jailed for life over Ms Everard's rape and murder."

It goes on further

"in the chat, jokes were made about West London being a "f Somalian s*hole", while in another exchange, Mr Neville said his experience of "struggle snuggles" had helped him pin "a 15 year old girl going mental to the floor".

Btw struggle snuggles was their term for rape.

"In another exchange, Mr Cobban said domestic violence victims "love it" and "that’s why they are repeat victims more often than not".

on and on it goes.

This is who protects us? This is who we report crimes to? This is who we are supposed to trust and respect?

AIBU in wanting to fucking protest outside that court?

If you really think the Police haven't always been like this, whoever is in No. 10, you are astonishingly naive

Totally agree.

My mother once called the police as she was worried about mine and my child’s safety at the hands of my ex. They came round to check on us and before they left one of them said “we’ve got better things to do than deal with your childish arguments, you know”. My then partner had locked us in the house with him and screamed down the phone to my mum that if he couldn’t have us (child and I) no one else was going to.

Haven't trusted the police since tbh. Not with DV at any rate. What gets me is this lot of bastards pleading not guilty. The messages are evidence enough of what they’ve said and their disgusting thought process?

OP it appears loads of them do -

www.thesun.co.uk/news/19064287/met-police-sacked-racist-meghan-markle/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60215575

I just can’t imagine ever wanting to report anything sensitive to the police after reading this.

If you were a victim of rape or domestic violence how could you trust that you’d be anything other than something to be mocked by them?

It’s horrific. I’d honestly rather the person who did it went unpunished rather than think that there were men cracking jokes about it in some WhatsApp group.

Anybody who speaks like that in their professional capacity should be fired immediately. You can't stop people being arseholes, but we can make damn sure that none of them are in the privileged position of serving and protecting our population.

People discovering that the police are scum is a bit like discovering that milk is a dairy product.

Absolutely. It’s vile.

I hope no men I personally know would be a part of such group.

Absolutely this

Really honestly for me it's like booking a flight to Spain, packing your bikini and other bits, going to the airport and getting on the actual plane then disembarking in Spain and being entirely shocked, flabbergasted even, that you're in Spain

NAMALT but an absolutely shocking number are. Sadly a lot of them would be attracted to a job like Police because of the authority it comes with.

They should be fired for gross misconduct and all Police forces should make it plain that this us not Banter, its Hate.

I mean the state of the government doesn’t feel irrelevant to this issue. It’s almost as though people are promoted on the basis of misogynistic and sexually inappropriate behaviour by the conservatives.
As well as being involved in sex scandal cover ups, Johnson himself has been accused of “domestic disturbances” at his flat, sexual assault (groping journalist) and sexual impropriety in office (sexual relationship with then his junior Carrie, carried within the work setting etc) - and bar the way he dealt with Pincher, those aren’t even considered his biggest scandals.
Then there’s these in the past two years

Then you have the royal family, the politicians whose only real job is to make the country look good. Prince Charles has been very good friends with an awful lots of sex offenders- Savile most famously, Peter Ball, Michael Fawcett and Uncle Dickie of course. Prince Andrew, good friends with probably the world’s most famous paedofile pimp/trafficker couple Epstein and Maxwell. He paid an awful lot of money to a woman who he never met, who accused him of rape. Prince Philip also had an aide who was accused of CSA, and of course he was very close with uncle Dickie too. It’s guilt by association so perhaps not very fair but my god given their resources you would think they would be a bit better at background checks! How many sex offenders can one family be close with?

I don’t know about the Lords, perhaps it’s better there, but political institutions in the UK do seem fairly riddled with this. It has to set a standard.

people are always shocked an appalled when I say I don’t trust the police. I am a nice middle class risk adverse white woman so should have no reason to give them a wide berth but 40 years ago a man I know reported this kind of behaviour (obviously not on WhatsApp but y out know what I mean) amongst colleagues. He was newly in to E police and assumed he’d stumbled into some corrupt cesspit of a station. A week later he was pulled over for drunk driving (before the limits were as low or breathalysers) and lost his job and got a conviction. No one ever knew him to have more than 2 pints.

I judge all police because if you know it’s happening and do nothing you are just as bad. Just. As. Bad

Why did a female Commissioner not do more to weed out the misogyny @MintJulia ?

I honestly don't know.

Perhaps CD thought the only way to be accepted as commissioner was, if not exactly to act like a man, then not to react to misogyny immediately. It's hard to forgive.

I should add that other parties in the commons have had sex scandals too like Labour and SNP but tories seem particularly bad for it, and have an exceptional range of wrong doing.

It's everywhere, my husband tells me all the time about his work place (not police) but are regarded (well supposed to be) quite highly.
They talk about woman like a piece of shit, watch porn, tell others how they get away with not paying child maintenance,cheat etc etc.
Not all men are like this but it deffo is in bedded in society.

I am a police officer and I'm absolutely disgusted by this. The comments are sickening. If I had knowledge of colleagues making comments such as these I would immediately report them, they are not the type of people we need in the police.

I have been an officer for a long time now and there has always been the "banter culture" but I can confirm in my experience nothing of that nature at all, not all cops are bad ones, in fact most of us are actually in it for the right reasons and nobody hates bent cops more than good cops. They deserve to be locked up and the key thrown away.

What gets me, is that a cop, is basically saying his wrongdoing is everybody's fault but his own. And that the force will lose good cops? These are not good cops. These are not good men. These are not good human beings. They're the sort of nasty bastards that the cops are supposed to be looking out for and cleaning up.

Oh, and I know good cops. (On the Met force no less!) I also know cops I thought were good - and now I wonder, due to incidents in the past. . . the good cops need to be absolutely vociferous in requiring the bad cops to be taken down and taken out.

Can't believe it's taken this long for middle Britain to open it's eyes to them

I’m so angry about this I want to scream.

And nothing will be done.

Police attitudes are despicable. If I was sexually assaulted I wouldn’t report it if you paid me. I won’t be the butt of some misogynist twat’s joke.

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This.

The whole lot of them should be sacked

I wouldn't report if I were sexually assaulted again, either. Nor would I encourage my daughters to. And I hate the guilt tripping and emotional blackmail of victims that goes on - particularly on Mumsnet.

I don't think the policing powers that be realise just how little faith, trust, or good will, let alone basic respect is left for them. (I'm not talking about front line coppers here). And policing by consent relies on these things. As the front line coppers will know.