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How the hell do I manage this behaviour?

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Workyticket · 24/07/2022 21:15

We (me, dh and ds 10) are currently on holiday in a fab hotel but I'm on edge and so upset tonight

Ds is the absolute apple of my eye, I adore him and throw praise and attention at him. He's generally loving and polite but he's developed this horrible snipey streak towards me and it's uncharacteristically getting me down

He must have criticised / sniped at me literally dozens of times today and yesterday
-mam can't sing, there's literally nobody worse
-you can't throw the ball straight / you're literally rubbish / you're the worst thrower / you can't even catch (in the pool)
-mam is the worst dancer / everyone is a better dancer than mam
-mam chose the worst sun beds / put the towels on wrong

It sounds ridiculous - and I feel childish for being upset but it feels constant

I've sat him down and told him it's hurtful, given him time out, taken his tech. He apologies, acts sorry, tells me he loves me then literally the next thing out of his mouth is negative towards me

I'm a teacher - known for not going a pushover and for having a handle on discipline. Ds is usually a good lad. He's always erred on the negative side whixh we're trying to steer him away from but it's another level this week

Not sure why I'm posting but dh is having a cool bath and ds is snoring in the bed next to mine looking angelic and I'm feeling emotional

Please help me rescue the holiday and my relationship with ds

OP posts:
DCW · 27/07/2022 14:04

Is your relationship with DH new? or has it changed lately? Gotten more serious, is this your first vacation together? I ask because you said normally your child is the focus of your attention when you are not at work. His behavior is resentful and aimed only at you. He is angry about something, and the answer of I don't know why is a deflection. He does know why, deep in his heart. Maybe he needs you to ask the right questions. Did he want to vacation somewhere else? Ask him if he feels left out, pushed aside, or if DH has done something you didn't notice that makes DS upset. Sometimes kids need to be led to the subject so they know it is ok to answer truthfully. Take him on an outing alone, something he really wants to do. Then during a quiet moment see what he says.

Lisatwin1 · 28/07/2022 04:19

I joined just so I could tell you I had the same exact experience. My son at 11 was literally the meanest person in the world, he made me cry and he was terrible to his younger brother. We went to a counselor he was diagnosed with mild depression. BUT I was afraid to give him antidepressants, they can lead to suicide! My counselor recommended a supplement program from the book "The Way Up From Down." In a nutshell, I gave him l-tryptophan (the ingredients in turkey that makes you sleepy) and he became a different person. He's now 23, and very successful. Here's the link to the book. Its old, but it works. www.thewayup.com/the-way-up-from-down/

coodawoodashooda · 28/07/2022 04:21

Lisatwin1 · 28/07/2022 04:19

I joined just so I could tell you I had the same exact experience. My son at 11 was literally the meanest person in the world, he made me cry and he was terrible to his younger brother. We went to a counselor he was diagnosed with mild depression. BUT I was afraid to give him antidepressants, they can lead to suicide! My counselor recommended a supplement program from the book "The Way Up From Down." In a nutshell, I gave him l-tryptophan (the ingredients in turkey that makes you sleepy) and he became a different person. He's now 23, and very successful. Here's the link to the book. Its old, but it works. www.thewayup.com/the-way-up-from-down/

Thanks for this.

HappyDays40 · 28/07/2022 06:32

My son is prone to saying mum your rubbish at things. I literally just stop what I'm doing that is so rubbish. So if he says I'm rubbish at football I just put the football down and say " oh well if I'm that rubbish you won't want je yo play then ". Then I go and sit down. Once I've made my point I tend to help him to refine what he said and how it feels for me and what it would feel like if someone said that to him. Keep targeting it each time OP.

Matermisericordiae · 28/07/2022 20:23

OP, I feel for you! Boys are so difficult for moms: they go from being these lovely, sweet children to being surly, unwashed, and hostile overnight. Based on your post, I think you are approaching this in the exactly wrong way (and the majority of advice you are getting here is too).

I grew up with several younger brothers and have raised several boys myself. As I’ve watched my mom and my friends, as well as myself, deal with the male adolescence, I’ve seen that our usual instincts for dealing with someone who is being cruel or unkind are precisely wrong for coping with teenage male hormones. Many women will insist that their son apologize for being mean and will talk to the child about how his mean remarks make her feel bad and upset and hurt. Obviously, we all want our sons to have empathy for those who are weaker and thus it seems like sharing our feelings about their unkindness is not only right for salvaging our relationship, but also for creating a young man who is empathetic and kind.

However, most boys who are being nasty to their moms are doing it for a combination of reasons: both because they are beginning to have sexual feelings towards the opposite sex, and their mother‘s gender identity really scares them: they feel tremendous love and affection for their moms, but expressing those feelings seems terribly fraught in relation to their emerging sexuality. Add to that the fact that they are beginning to realize that Mom has a sexual identity as well. The put downs, the sarcasm, the cruel remarks: they are all helping boys to manage new and unfamiliar feelings. Overtime, of course, they learn to distinguish between ordinary parental affection and sexual feelings for others, but at first, it is incredibly hard to cope with. So they push their moms away as hard as they can.

The second reason that they do this is because the fact of Mom’s fragility and mortality is starting to dawn on them. The cruel remarks are tests; they want mom’s responses to prove that she is sturdy and resilient, that if they separate from their moms and turn to their dads as models of masculinity, their moms will be just fine! They want to know that they don’t have the power to destroy their moms, so they keep testing and testing in the hope that she will prove to be resilient and tough. That is why the best response to these cruel and hostile remarks uses humor to assert mom is still the adult and still in control (a poster above, the mom of several boys, gives great examples of this technique. “Mom is such a stupid dancer!” “You betcha kiddo—I’m planning to chaperone the school dance next week, so I’m getting all my best moves ready, just to humiliate you!” ; “I hate you! You’re the worst dressed mom ever!” “First, I love you, even when you are unpleasant. Second, don’t you know that I am deliberately tormenting you by being as uncool as possible? Wait till you see what I have picked out to wear at your soccer game next week!!”

I have seen so many boys and adult men whose moms act hurt at some action they have taken; they feel frustrated as well as terrible for hurting her; mom’s expression of hurt makes them angry; they lash out; she is more hurt; and on and on the cycle goes. Humor signals to them that they haven’t hurt you in their efforts to separate from you—and those efforts seem necessary to them because they are awash in unfamiliar sexual feelings that they have no idea how to manage.

When I was in my 20s, my youngest brother was 12-13. My parents took him on vacation with them, and he was a nightmare to deal with. I think it is no coincidence you are on a vacation: vacations push families together even more than usual—you are together 24-7, in small living spaces, etc. For a boy just beginning to deal with sexual feelings, that kind of enforced intimacy is really overwhelming, and the result is hostility. I met my parents and brother on one afternoon during their trip; I was wearing jeans and a fitted t-shirt, nothing immodest, but the fact that I was a woman was very evident. At one point out of the blue my brother muttered “whore” in reference to me. He looked as startled as I was! But I think he was just overwhelmed by adolescence and stuck in a car and hotel rooms with his parents and no time to be alone and decompress.

I hope some of this resonates and is helpful!! Don’t worry too much—it gets better!!

RealityTV · 28/07/2022 22:38

What is your husband saying when your son is doing all of this? What does he say in direct response to your son's abusive behavior toward you? Something tells me that you have allowed yourself to justify your son's past negative behavior and not corrected it then. Now your son feels justified and entitled to say whatever he wants to you. In order to address his issues, you need to do more than just explain how what he is doing makes YOU feel. You AND your husband need to develop consistent consequences for his actions and you need to apply them no matter what! The thing I find troubling about this is you haven't said anything about what your husband is doing to help your son course-correct! That makes me question some things. Does your husband speak to you disrespectfully in front of your son?

mathanxiety · 29/07/2022 02:17

I really think you need to stop playing with the children and start presenting yourself as an adult.

You're horning in on your son's racket here. Kids play in the pool for hours on end. You're on his turf. I asked what the other parents were doing to try to gauge what the mothers were spending their time doing while you played with one of the little girls.

Look for the other mothers. Introduce yourself. Make friends. Chat about adult stuff. Sit by the pool with your book after chatting for a while.

Is it possible that you're playing in the pool because you as a teacher feel more comfortable around children than relating to other adults?

Workyticket · 29/07/2022 10:48

Quick update - the last few days have been great. He's found a couple of pals and got into the time difference sleep wise.

I've still played for hours - sometimes with ds, sometimes with dh, sometimes with other kids and or their parents

I'm not giving it up - I enjoy it! 😉

It's so, so hot and trips are definitely more evening based.

I posted when I was tearful and over tired and got some really lovely advice - I really am grateful 💓

OP posts:
EarringsandLipstick · 29/07/2022 20:05

Workyticket · 29/07/2022 10:48

Quick update - the last few days have been great. He's found a couple of pals and got into the time difference sleep wise.

I've still played for hours - sometimes with ds, sometimes with dh, sometimes with other kids and or their parents

I'm not giving it up - I enjoy it! 😉

It's so, so hot and trips are definitely more evening based.

I posted when I was tearful and over tired and got some really lovely advice - I really am grateful 💓

Great to hear this OP! It sounds like you've all settled well into the holiday now which is brilliant.

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