to wonder if BAME people care more than others about women’s rights?

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Do BAME people care more about women’s rights?

Today I read about attorney general Suella Braverman opposing the SNP’s plan to
speed up gender self-ID. By allowing anyone to claim to be the other sex, self-ID would of course give every man (trans or not, sex predator or not) access to all women’s services and spaces.

Yesterday, it was the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch stating that all new public
buildings must have single-sex toilets.

Health secretary Sajid Javid has told the NHS to stop replacing words that have a female meaning (such as ‘woman’) with expressions such as ‘person with a uterus’. The NHS and many large organisations have been doing this to avoid offending trans people. But it is baffling to many people, who then risk missing vital health information.

Dame Kelly Holmes supports the Fair Play for Women campaign to stop males competing in women’s sports, despite transactivists’ aggression.

And so many heroic resisters have been fighting legal battles: Allison Bailey, Keira
Bell, Raquel Rosario Sanchez, Shahrar Ali …

And it’s not only the fight to keep women’s single-sex rights. Sajid Javid has also
refused to shut up about grooming gangs, despite being (unfairly) accused of racism.

Those are just the few I can think of on the spur of the moment. I know there are
many more.

Of course there are many other, non-BAME feminists and allies fighting against the
withdrawal of women’s rights and protections. But the percentage who are BAME seems very noticeable.

Any ideas why?

But the percentage who are BAME seems very noticeable.

Only to people with the faintest understanding of statistics. Why would you embarrass yourself by making such a statement given your scant stats to back up your claim.

Absolutely. As a BAME female, I receive a double whammy of racism and sexism, so it totally makes sense to me that BAME people care about racism and sexism.

Why are you so determined to shut OP up? Why does saying something positive about BAME people hurt you?

Possibly because they have less fear that the racist card will be used against them if they raise these issues?

Why would the race card be used against women’s issues?

My own anecdotal observation is that BAME people care more about racial issues however often BAME people come from a cultural or religious background where sex segregation and traditional gender roles are observed. I notice more white women campaigning for women's rights but of course there are many BAME women who care about women's rights I just notice white middle class women more in terms of visibility online (twitter etc).

Because what the OP is saying is BAME women care more about women's rights tgan white women. You can fuck right off with that. Nobody gets to tell me that I care less about somthing because of the colour of my skin.

Not sure really but I have noticed recently that any mention of supporting women's rights specifically and meaning female in particular is often shouted down as white feminism on SM. Not sure why, I'm not white, but women's rights are important to me and I can see how how none white women can be more affected when women's rights are compromised.

She's not saying individual BAME women care more than individual white women. She is asking if as a group BAME women care more than white women. That doesn't reflect non the amount you personally care about something.

The term BAME needs to feck off

I thought “BAME” as a term had been done away with?

Of course it fucking reflects on me! Are we OK to say 'white women... insert insulting generalisation here'? - Would it be equally OK to say 'black women... insert insulting generalisation here'? I'm a white woman. If someone makes a generalisation about white women of course it reflects on me.

#notallwhitepeople 🙄

You're absolutely right. This whole thread is all about you 😒

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. Bravo. Aren't you clever.

Just a guess but maybe they are more in touch with the idea of women being a minority group. White women on the other hand are accused of 'white feminism' which is seen as the ultimate privileged bigotry, leading to the need to 'be kind' and put others first.

I think both groups are equally slated for GC views but maybe that's why BAME women would feel they have more of a right/need to speak.

I’m south Asian and in my experience it boils down to education. I apologise for generalising but in my experience less educated women in my community don’t question the cultural/religious misogyny and just accept things and think they can’t change them. Racism isn’t really on the radar either. Unless you’ve had a direct run in with someone people don’t do alot, almost like survival mode. A lot has to do with their confidence they have a lot on their plates dealing with to think more outwardly if that makes sense. The more educated and less sheltered the women, they are not afraid to question things, I’m forever going on with my feminist rants, questioning the eroding of women’s rights, women’s safe spaces, I have these conversations amongst traditional men in the family and I also call out racism towards black people and other groups. It really isn’t on many people’s radar in my experience but the more educated women seem to care a lot about feminism (even though we probably don’t fit in with the white feminist) and certainly stand up to racism not just in our communities but towards black people too who experience it from south Asians as well as white people. So no, I think it’s more to do with education and socioeconomic group from what I have experienced anyway. I have learned a lot on mumsnet feminism board and I’m going to assume it’s largely white middle class women. I like that we can bring our experiences together.

That’s exactly how it reads though. Maybe instead of finding criticism where there is none, explain to the OP the flaws in her statistics.

Just to challenge this stereotype this isn’t saying what you think it is. The statistics you post would look to prove the OPs statement, as women from ethnic minorities (in the US in the case of the stats you posted) are more likely to be affected by domestic abuse than white women. So they would be more interested in women’s rights as the more rights they have the less likely they are to be abused

I think there's something in this. I also think more privileged women are generally less likely to be personally affected by the erosion of women's rights.

The problem is there is a lot of internalised misogyny preventing women from thinking about these things so even if they experience it, they wouldn’t dare question things as it’s the way things are meant to be according to their conditioning. I have a huge problem with this in my community just trying to get women to stand up to their husbands but they turn it around onto me, telling me I’m a disgraceful western woman, I kid you not.

You put that much better than I did

You have highlighted the issues with the use of the term "BAME". Ethnic groups are incredibly diverse and to lump all none white British people in together just won't work.

As for your question no. There are plenty of white women who are campaigning for women's rights and continuing to go against the grain. Just look at how Sharron davies has been speaking out about sports recently. JK Rowling has been talking about women's rights since she came into the public eye.

You can't cherry pick a few recent announcements and then make a hypothesis that white people care less about women's rights.

”on average” - based on what - news coverage of Priti Patel , sounds like bull

maybe don’t lump all BAME and non BAMEs into separate categories, we are all bloody human