to wonder if BAME people care more than others about women’s rights?

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Do BAME people care more about women’s rights?

Today I read about attorney general Suella Braverman opposing the SNP’s plan to
speed up gender self-ID. By allowing anyone to claim to be the other sex, self-ID would of course give every man (trans or not, sex predator or not) access to all women’s services and spaces.

Yesterday, it was the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch stating that all new public
buildings must have single-sex toilets.

Health secretary Sajid Javid has told the NHS to stop replacing words that have a female meaning (such as ‘woman’) with expressions such as ‘person with a uterus’. The NHS and many large organisations have been doing this to avoid offending trans people. But it is baffling to many people, who then risk missing vital health information.

Dame Kelly Holmes supports the Fair Play for Women campaign to stop males competing in women’s sports, despite transactivists’ aggression.

And so many heroic resisters have been fighting legal battles: Allison Bailey, Keira
Bell, Raquel Rosario Sanchez, Shahrar Ali …

And it’s not only the fight to keep women’s single-sex rights. Sajid Javid has also
refused to shut up about grooming gangs, despite being (unfairly) accused of racism.

Those are just the few I can think of on the spur of the moment. I know there are
many more.

Of course there are many other, non-BAME feminists and allies fighting against the
withdrawal of women’s rights and protections. But the percentage who are BAME seems very noticeable.

Any ideas why?

“Twas but an innocent observation!”

Peak weaselology

Not the COVID excuse! What’s next, sleep-deprived mum of twins? 🙄

It’s a bit hard to unpick but generally there’s a party divide when it comes to gender based statements v reality

But there are a few BAME in Cons whom you mention and they stick to the biological women line, tg

And I’m not up with sports and culture breakdown but we also have JKR who is very vocal also tg

Labour may be have lower prominent diversity I’m not sure but they do have David Lammy who called us dinosaurs

Yes, Oooh. Note the question marks. These are questions.

whites have always had greater access to positions of power is a statement of fact, to the best of my knowledge.

See the difference?

Words like ‘seem’ reveal that this is something I’m not claiming as a fact, only how it appeared to me, ie open to correction or further information.

Is this really beyond comprehension?

You know exactly what you're doing and it gives you that (quote) 'extra joy'. Here's a question: Is it acceptable to say outrageously poisonous and hateful things, create false polarities and pitting women against women in a caring Olympics, if I add a punctuation marker at the end like you this '?' End of, I won't feed the troll anymore.

My first intention was to celebrate a band of heroes

Ok, you are getting a bit carried away now, please check your bias 🙄

But it gives me a moment of extra joy to see tough, competent BAME women in power

Can you explain why exactly?

It should give us all joy to see competent people in power, that's it.

It should give us all joy to see competent people in power, that's it.

No. I specifically feel extra joy when I see a competent and successful black woman. I categorically do because it's just so hard to exist being black and being a woman that a successful competent black woman is a remarkable feat. Someone like Serena Williams is in my book exceptional. It matters that she is black.

I like to see women of any ethnicity in power, as we are still far less powerful than men. Same for working-class people, especially women.

But I’m surprised you ask why I feel extra joy at seeing ethnic minority (if this is the acceptable phrase) women in power.

It is because this was vanishingly rare until the late 20th century. And I believe the numbers in power still are nowhere near reflecting their numbers in the population.

Oh for the love of God.....eughhhhhh I can't even....

The term BAME makes my skin crawl
Putting that aside how ridiculous is this question.... do bame people care more about women's rights than others?

Think really hard as to why that is such an utterly stupid question.....

And get back to me. Thanks.

Wow! How to go from 1. noticing tough competent ethnic-minority women, in power and doing valuable work for women, to 2. saying outrageously poisonous and hateful things, creating false polarities and pitting women against women. Quite a leap.

I'm amazed this thread is still standing, tbh.

Hate the neo-racism and the old racism too. Just wish people could see the neo-racism for what it is. It's not woke. It's racist.

(Or maybe it is woke. And racist.)

Let's call a spade a spade and stop being coy.

You're saying 'BAME' women care more and white women care less about women's rights.

You're saying 'BAME' women have deeper values, and white women have shallow or no values.

You are a misogynist, at the very fucking least.

You’re right, Marsha. It’s disappointing that it’s the Tories who are standing up for women, while all the left and liberals meekly toe the trans line. (Honourable exceptions the SDP and Communists.) I can’t think of one Labour politician who defends single-sex rights except the heroic Rosie Duffield. And her own party have thrown her to the wolves. There’s no one else who inspires me there.

Re David Lammy, I’ve been trying to find a wonderful video I saw of feminists in dinosaur suits making a statement in a shopping centre. So funny, and a very typical female response, fighting insults and aggression (by transactivists) with wit and truth. If I can find it again I’ll post it.

I am not sure about your numbers etc. nor have I ever noticed it's proportionally more BAME who supprot women's rights, but I do think it's easier to feel empathetic or supportive of victims of discrimination if you've experienced it first hand.

And I believe the numbers in power still are nowhere near reflecting their numbers in the population

You 'believe' or you've done the maths?

Anyhow, forced quotas and/or forced proportionality (as you are suggesting) are not necessarily always appropriate. As I said, I would like to see competent and decent people in positions of power (both in the public and private sectors). Their ethnicity (or sex, for that matter) should be irrelevant.

It would also worry me to have people in power displaying the vindictiveness and resentment that some posters are showing on this thread

Oh come on. Surely it's understandable that it's satisfiying to see people who have experienced discrimination and had the odds against them succeed.

I know I would be pleased to see e.g. a competent black woman appointed in a C-suite position at my company, or as leader of the country. I wouldn't have the same feeling it was another middle aged/ old white man. Even if he was competent.

The thing about forced quotas etc is they force companies to challenge the prejudices that lead them to hire only white men to start with.

I wouldn't have the same feeling it was another middle aged/ old white man. Even if he was competent

It's difficult to follow your argument as there is no actual logic to it. It's also ageist, sexist and racist

Its not really. I would feel pleased because I would have seen it for progress for equality in the company and I would have admired the BAME woman for achieving what she did against the odds. The man would always be the status quo choice, and he would have been aided by his privilege. I wouldn't necessarily be displeased with the appoint as such (although I might consider it just another indoctination of the C-suite's old white man demographic, which is disappointing in itself), I just wouldn't get the same feeling of being pleased to see progress in equality, and seeing someone progress in spite of the obstacles she faced.

To me it's very odd that arguing for equality and diversity = racism, sexism and ageism to you. But then I don't exactly have a huge amount of sympathy for middle aged old men in those areas.

I've never considered myself a feminist because this is what that word conjures up in my mind. True then, true today.

I just wouldn't get the same feeling of being pleased to see progress in equality, and seeing someone progress in spite of the obstacles she faced

How do you know the man who is not from an ethnic minority has not faced any challenges? Lots of assumptions being made here

Because its far harder to succeed as a black woman than it is as a white man competent or otherwise.

That's not sexist or racist, its statistics.

Unless of course you are claiming that white men are far more likely to be competent than black women and that's why the statistics are the way the are?

In which case maybe lets look at that accusation of sexist and racist again...

I've never considered myself a feminist because this is what that word conjures up in my mind. True then, true today.

What's wrong with that picture Poutine? Can you explain? Your posts are coming across as worryingly bigoted