to wonder if BAME people care more than others about women’s rights?

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Do BAME people care more about women’s rights?

Today I read about attorney general Suella Braverman opposing the SNP’s plan to
speed up gender self-ID. By allowing anyone to claim to be the other sex, self-ID would of course give every man (trans or not, sex predator or not) access to all women’s services and spaces.

Yesterday, it was the equalities minister Kemi Badenoch stating that all new public
buildings must have single-sex toilets.

Health secretary Sajid Javid has told the NHS to stop replacing words that have a female meaning (such as ‘woman’) with expressions such as ‘person with a uterus’. The NHS and many large organisations have been doing this to avoid offending trans people. But it is baffling to many people, who then risk missing vital health information.

Dame Kelly Holmes supports the Fair Play for Women campaign to stop males competing in women’s sports, despite transactivists’ aggression.

And so many heroic resisters have been fighting legal battles: Allison Bailey, Keira
Bell, Raquel Rosario Sanchez, Shahrar Ali …

And it’s not only the fight to keep women’s single-sex rights. Sajid Javid has also
refused to shut up about grooming gangs, despite being (unfairly) accused of racism.

Those are just the few I can think of on the spur of the moment. I know there are
many more.

Of course there are many other, non-BAME feminists and allies fighting against the
withdrawal of women’s rights and protections. But the percentage who are BAME seems very noticeable.

Any ideas why?

I'd just like to add that BAME isn't a 'thing'. Not all minorities are 'equal'. Also there's a lot to unpick in what you've said but Priti Patel is spearheading the Rwanda policy which is a racist policy. There's a lot to say but what I will say is that white supremacy often relies on non-white foot soldiers to do it's dirty work. Thing is if you can get a black or brown minister - say e,g Kemi Badenoch to say there's no such thing as racism in the UK then it's worth about 10million Theres May's saying the same thing. Wrt women/gender it works somewhat differently but yes this is nothing to do with Bame.

I forgot to add I sometimes look at the 'Bame' members of white supremacy and hope to high heavens they've cushioned themselves because when shit hits the fan they're the first ones getting thrown to the wolves. They are extremely dispensable once they've served their purpose. Yes yes of course a lot of them believe in what they are doing and all that but still.

White people who call black and brown people 'white supremacist' for expressing ideas and opinions that white people don't think black and brown people should be allowed to have... Those white people are racist as fuck.

How on earth are BAME people white supremacists?

Its idiotic and not white supremacists, but BAME people can be racist. I've been told I'm not black enough to be racially discriminated against, or that I'm "white passing", and that Asian mixed people are white. Actually only by Americans, but you get my drift.

Not really a thing here so much, but in the US you have people like Nick Fuentes who

Sorry posted too soon Nick Fuentes who is of Hispanic descent but very much a far right white supremacist

Hmm. So you're mentioning professions, like attorney general and equalities minister. Of course I would expect an equalities minister and hopefully all women in high up professional roles to care about women's rights, no matter their identity. Surely that's the correlating factor

I’m not sure I have enough eye rolls for this thread.

👏well daisy

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Up to 65% of Hispanic people in America consider themselves to be white

No, OP. ''Whites'' (and there I am quoting you verbatim directly) don't care proportionately less about women's rights than 'browns' or 'blacks'. That clear enough for you?

If Fuentes was on the other side of that border with Mexico none of his followers or supporters would be arguing that he was white. He can consider himself whatever he likes, if it really came to it his racist buddies wouldn’t be agreeing.

OP gets a medal for trolliest post of the day 🏅

I doubt that’s particularly the case. You would need proper statistical evidence.

Yes but as proof that black and brown people can be white supremacists someone who is 1/4 Hispanic, who considers themselves to be white, isn't necessarily the best example.

In fact it would not help matters to consider him as black or brown. There are a growing number of Latino and Hispanic people in America joining the white supremacist movement because they consider themselves to be white, as they have white heritage (amongst other reasons).

Therefore lumping in white identifying Hispanic and Latino people with black people, Asian people etc is a nice easy way to claim they can be white supremacists, whilst ignoring that it was only America for quite some time that considered them to be anything other than white anyway.

Plus I find the automatic categorisation of someone who is 1/4 white Hispanic as non white problematic. A little too 1 drop of black blood means you aren't white for me.

Nick Fuentes who is of Hispanic descent but very much a far right white supremacist

Nick Fuentes doesn't consider himself to be white. He is white

Or white people are less likely to be convicted of the same crimes?
Police more likely to arrest non-whites?

The US has a massive race problem.

The UK has a massive race problem. PP is right though - some of the most insidious racism is perpetrated from other minorities to other minorities they deem 'lesser' than.

In my personal experience, the women I know who are most on board with pronouns, 'twaw' etc are black.

One woman is part of the Diversity team at work and is very careful to talk about 'cis' people and 'women and those with a female reproductive system'. I have no doubt that she would describe herself as a feminist.

I know my experience is not at all universal, but in the case of the women I know, there really does seem to be an assumption that the TRA movement is just the next step in civil rights.

Ugh. I find this measuring of the tone of peoples' skin in terms of how dark it is so as to whether you can fit into a minority or not quite distasteful. Which parent has a mixed race person taken after the most? Some Americans do consider anyone who isn't WASP non-white, and they include Italian, Spanish, etc people in that because thats the history of Hispanic people emigrating from South America/Mexico into the US. Its creating boundaries where there should be none because of a particular country's history/culture.

No, that’s the thing, Loopyfruit. A shocking number of women in high positions have prioritised the gender-identity movement’s wishes above women’s needs.

Maria Miller, as minister for women and equalities, planned to ‘reform’ the Gender Recognition Act 2004 by making it very much quicker and easier for people to change their gender: therefore, for men to gain access to all women’s single-sex rights and spaces.

She said there is no threat to single-sex services, they are clearly protected in law. But as minister, she must have known that the Equality Act 2010 only gives the right (not the duty) to ringfence single-sex services.

None of the female candidates for Labour leader in 2020 supported the struggle to retain single-sex services, and two of them actually signed a pledge to organise and fight against transphobic organisations such as Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and other trans-exclusionist hate groups. Yes, defending women’s rights makes you a “hate group”.

I don’t know of any leading female Labour politician who doesn’t toe the gender-identity line. And the Labour Party, and all the other main parties except the Tories, Communist Party and SDP, are committed to extending trans rights at the expense of women’s rights.

So, amazingly, very little solidarity among women in positions of power,

I think it’s because, contrary told popular belief, BAME communities largely hold conservative views. It’s actually an indictment of where society has landed that a woman being a woman is a now conservative view, rather a mainstream scientific fact.

Depressing, Edge. in the case of the women I know, there really does seem to be an assumption that the TRA movement is just the next step in civil rights.

So strange, when a moment’s thought reveals the huge conflict with women’s rights. Maybe we are still conditioned to put ourselves last.

I wonder if the Diversity woman knows it’s bollox but has put in a lot of work to get where she is, overcoming racism as well as sexism, and is making damn sure she doesn’t step out of line? That’s understandable.