Pronouns - Can someone remind me why we are against this in emails

[landantan]

Hi

Can someone remind me why some people (likely myself included) does not agree with stated pronouns in email signatures?

It is being requested at work from the perspective of being a small step to being an ally to LGBTQ+ community.

I just think it is a bit pointless and whilst I have nothing against this or any other community I cannot see what knowing or sharing pronouns really does apart from make you look like a bit of a tit.

Can someone offer a more articulate explanation please?

For me it is because pronouns refer to a person's sex which in the majority of cases can be easily observed. Including pronouns in email signatures implies that this is not the case.

I feel like if you don't actually know why you are against something then you probably don't feel as strongly about it as you think you do. Maybe just let it be?

Women still face workplace discrimination. I am not going to draw extra attention to my sex in every piece of workplace correspondence.

It is being requested at work from the perspective of being a small step to being an ally to LGBTQ+ community

Why is your employer forcing you to become an 'ally' to a political movement?

Why is being misgendered such a potentially life-shaking thing? People need to grow up and get a thicker skin. I've been mistaken for a bloke on several occasions. It didn't "erase" my identity or invalidate me. Absolutely pathetic.

this is interesting.

If I'm following correctly, it would be against your own gender identity to declare a gender identity, and therefore if the company insisted that you do, that would be denying you your own gender identity. Therefore the only way your own gender identity can be supported - which they are clearly showing a commitment to do - is by not declaring it.

I think I love it.

If I needed someone to tell me what I believed and why I believed it I would be worried about early onset dementia and/or immediately trying to figure out how I became such a lost and empty person. Good luck, mate.

I debated this with a friend last night (both admitted from a relatively ‘uneducated’ standpoint). We both felt that it was quite a big movement that has a small (albeit positive) impact on a tiny subset of the population (around 1% of the totally population). Whilst there is clearly a need to protect trans people, there is a bigger need (proportionally) to protect women and black, Asians and minority ethnic populations. I realise allyship isn’t mutual exclusive, but it does seem we’re going a bit bonkers on the whole gender, gender identify, sexuality narrative. We also thought, particularly for young people, that it encourages people to ‘declare’ themselves - perhaps before they are ready to. Hopefully the current drive around it will be a step change so that we can all just crack on with the trans taboo broken.

The only people I've come across in a work environment who use pronouns in their emails don't need to because it's bleeding obvious.
I really don't need to lnow that Peter Smith is he/him or that Louise Jones is she/her.
It therefore just feels a bit performative.

The only people I've come across in a work environment who use pronouns in their emails don't need to because it's bleeding obvious.
I really don't need to lnow that Peter Smith is he/him or that Louise Jones is she/her.
It therefore just feels a bit performative.

Ive not added pronouns to my email sign off despite several emails to ‘encourage’ us to. If anyone asks my plan is to say I’m happy for people to assume my pronouns based on my name and if someone mistakes me for a man the so be it and I won’t be offended.

It is incredibly transphobic to suggest that trans people do not pass and that the people talking about them when they are not even there, need managing so much that they have to obey 'pronoun badges'.

As if we can all really take account of what each individual's badge says at all times when the person with the badge isn't even in the room.

If a pronoun badge falls in the woods and there is nobody there to read it, did it say anything at all?

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Because it indulged the nonsense that pronouns are meaningless words chosen by the individual. They’re not, they’re a natural part of speech which denote sex, and with good reason.

Baffled that you need someone to tell you why you are against something.

If you are genuinely opposed, then it's your right to be. But surely you must know why you are not happy with it.

I have a very obviously Female name {To Europeans} but to Afghans, no! Several times over messages I was addressed as ''Dear Mr ''
I didn't put them right.
Didn't feel the need.
It reminds me of infant school to put pronouns everywhere..If people misgender my dog, I don't care.
Generally, when facing someone, it's pretty easy to tell if they are a female or a male., so daft to need their 'Pronoun', just use their name.

Speak for yourself and leave out the 'we', chum. She/her here and there's bugfuck all you transphobes can do to stop me.

You refer to yourself in the third person?

Because you don't lead with your gender.

You may as well be putting your star sign or hair colour as far as I'm concerned

Agreed, if someone has a name which could be either male or female , like 'Alex' , one could just use Mr, Miss or Mrs or even ''Ms''

Basically it's utterly pointless unless you have an ambiguous name, or unless you've decided you want to be known as they or it.

I wish I understood the logic of people who put he/him. We can all work out for ourselves that someone who likes to be known as he probably also prefers him. And if we can't work it out, why don't they also kindly enlighten us on whether they want us to use his?

Tell your boss you would rather they concentrate on whatever the business does and make as much money as possible so that you can have a decent payrise.

Also ask them if they want to be 'allies' to L blah blah blah, does that mean they are enemies of straight people?

So either you are an idiot who needs to be told what to think, or this was a deliberately goady post

If a pronoun badge falls in the woods and there is nobody there to read it, did it say anything at all?

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