Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

@Freerangechildren you do understand the difference between Europe and the EU???

This! This policy is so ridiculous and ignores the protections we have for asylum seekers and refugees. For a interesting snapshot of this issue read, The Beekeeper of Aleppo. People come to the UK mostly to reunite with familiy/friends, if you had to leave your country for safety, I am sure you would also want to see a familiar face.

As someone who works with children who have come into this country illegally, I can guarantee you that most of the people we are talking about are genuine asylum seekers. I wonder if anyone is equally concerned about the Ukrainians who have come from relatively safe parts of their country and are not looking to return. Are they also considered as criminal economic migrants?

This whole policy is embarrassing and makes the British people look daft!

@Freerangechildren
Well said. There do appear to be racist undertones when people talk about Rwanda as if the primary problem with the Rwanda flight policy is where the refugees are being sent. It’s a lovely country with a vibrant culture. I think people have a prejudice against African countries tbh.

The problem with the Rwanda flights is more that the U.K. shouldn’t be passing refugees on to any 3rd country as a matter of policy to supposedly deter human traffickers. I’d feel the same way if the plan had been to fly them to the USA.

I find it utterly incredulous that so many seem to be up in arms over this policy, however seemingly not to care one jot for the women and children paying tens of thousands to human traffickers to drown in the channel in the middle of the night????

It just amazes me that anyone can possibly even consider this to be an acceptable option and to simply roll over and allow this to carry on.

Labour have come up with absolutely nothing when asked for a solution/alternative, they have not put forward a single workable alternative, they just stand bleating from the side lines. Utterly useless.

In lieu of any proper working alternative the pious must surely stop moaning from their ivory towers and take a hard look at what washes up on our beaches. the sheer misery of those being trafficked. We live in Kent, and the situation is absolutely dire and untenable.

And given it is based in Strasburg covering all 47 countries in Europe - that is why people are referring to it as an EU court as it covers Europe, as that is what it is

The right-wing media love to label it an "EU court" as it suits their agenda.
As you say it covers 47 countries, including the 20 that are not members of the EU (the EU as a whole is legally bound to follow ECHR).

This whole farce is, once again, a situation wholly created by the Government refusing to follow legal advice (and advice from Civil Servants), as they clearly believe themselves above the law.

@Freerangechildren @Discovereads Its not “racist undertones” that cause people to have a problem with Rwanda, it’s this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/asylum-seekers-resettled-rwanda-eu-scheme-abandoned-poverty/

From the link:

”Asylum seekers resettled in Rwanda under EU scheme abandoned to poverty
Refugees tell the Telegraph there is not enough food, housing, medical services and other basic necessities.
Asylum seekers in Rwanda have said they have been left in a “traumatising” poverty-stricken limbo for years, barely able to afford clothes and constantly in fear of the country’s brutal security forces, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.”

Again. Rwanda is probably a lovely country to visit if you’re a westerner with money and a passport. As an asylum seeker, it’s a very different situation.

Ummmm, the British government do in fact make the laws in this country I think you will find! Ifailed

Laws are made and passed in parliament.

Well I wouldn't say it was any better in our immigration centres beware At least it is warm and sunny in Rwanda and they are not freezing half to death.

I find it utterly incredulous that so many seem to be up in arms over this policy, however seemingly not to care one jot for the women and children paying tens of thousands to human traffickers to drown in the channel in the middle of the night????

there isn’t one single person on this thread that thinks thats ok and you know that

the issue is how it’s stopped

If you seriously think it will stop people trying to cross the channel then you’re utterly deluded. Of course it won’t. These are desperate people who see no other option.

I'm not the one saying this. I am repeating what Human Rights Watch are saying. Within the last week or two. Only last year 9 gay people were arbritrarily detained. Just for being gay.
You really don't need to remind me about Iraq thanks.

I am not running down a country, I am repeating what a reputable Agency has says. Maybe you know better than them?

Yes

we passed the laws and now they are trying to break those same laws

you can’t just rock up and change them, there is a due process

If it www purely about stopping the people traffickers and the people crossing the channel dangerously then wouldn't the simple answer be for people to have the ability to claim asylum outside the UK rather than having to enter before doing so

Tell me how many migrants crossed the channel in Dinghies pre Brexit?

How many referrals to EU police forces were made by UK police forces pre brexit? (it was 1000s per day)

Some of the biggest drugs busts have been done by coop with Europe, we took part in med migrant patrols but unilaterally withdrew from these, we coop on Space, we have co operated over Ukraine...

The EU allows UK border force to operate in Europe, one reason why there is so much boat trafficking is exactly because of the success of eu coop.

We are giving almost 200 million to Rwanda to house a few migrants but have ceased payments to France to assist shore patrols... despite the fact France stops many more migrant crossings than are missed.

You swallowed the BS from Farage and Johnson but that doesn't make it true.

What exactly do you think those ramifications are?
One possibility is we enact human rights provisions domestically with UK rather than international courts having jurisdiction. Might that not command more public support than the current arrangement?

...with a very high risk of malaria but its warm an sunny fgs.

@Freerangechildren Here’s Yvette Cooper (Labour) having quite a few good ideas.

“Govt plan won’t work, instead they cd;

• crackdown on criminal gangs, stronger action w France to stop boats (not 20% cuts to NCA)

• get on w asylum decisions which halved in 5 years

• get resettlement schemes working properly

• work to get replacement for Dublin Agreement”

https://mobile.twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1536731831315341314

The Good Friday Agreement for a start.

No thanks.
I don't trust this Government one little bit. I want the protection of ECHR thanks.

Well, there are similar complaints from asylum seekers settled here. I’ve seen the pictures of squalid accommodation with mould, leaks/water running down the walls, rats, and exposed wires. The fact they cannot work so often cannot afford basic necessities. The housing of a family of 5 in a single room. And you do know that U.K. police also cause fear and beat people?

I’m with rousette I don’t trust THIS government as far as I could throw them

What exactly do you think those ramifications are?
One possibility is we enact human rights provisions domestically with UK rather than international courts having jurisdiction. Might that not command more public support than the current arrangement?

...and if this new HR legislation is very poor or non existent?

We were told leaving the EU would enable the UK to have higher environmental protections... yet they have been watered down.

Having international oversight is one way of ensuring bad Govt's don't do bad things.

Its the Govt's job to lead, explain the benefits of the ECHR and not give into the right wing press.

I listened to Cooper's original interview, which she freely admitted she did not have the answers. She did not come up with a single viable alternative that would actually work.

But just to touch on your comments:

crackdown on criminal gangs, stronger action w France to stop boats (not 20% cuts to NCA)

This simply has never worked. The UK have poured millions and millions into France for decades now to try and tackle the gangs and it has made no difference whatsoever.

get on w asylum decisions which halved in 5 years

I agree with that point, we should have a fast track system with decisions made in weeks not years.

get resettlement schemes working properly

We have received HUGE numbers of people from Hong Kong, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. Resettlement schemes are already creaking at the seams, as are the schools here with the influx and all the other services.

work to get replacement for Dublin Agreement”

That could take years.

We can not continue as we are, and the majority in the UK seem to agree looking at the polls today

Not sure if you've noticed, but the NHS needs more than skilled, qualified medical professionals on its staff. And why do you insist on saying that refugees are illegal immigrants? If people are posing as refugees whilst being economic migrants, what is needed is an efficient process for processing asylum claims here followed by deportation, not the nonsense of sending them with genuine refugees off to Rwanda.

‘She did not come up with a single viable alternative that would actually work.’

Well, neither has the government.