Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

Why don't you start one; I'm certain you're in favour of the strikes. Anything destructive to the country and Labourites are right on it.

@DuncinToffee who needs facts when you’ve got insults? 😁

This is what is so fucking annoying. I typed out a long answer explaining why racism isn’t always behind concerns about immigration and of course someone crashes on to the thread yelling about “woke lefty liberals calling everything racism”.

Aaaaaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh.

Supporting the right to strike is not the same as supporting the strike.

If it helps, I will rephrase. The strikes are orchestrated by those affiliated with Labour. I doubt Mr Lynch is a Tory - do you?

Fact about the UK being full please Callingoccupants before this thread is full.

Why shouldn't Labour support the RMT ? or any other union striking for a below inflation pay rise.

They are asking for a 7% pay rise, inflation is between 9 and 11% and the companies have offered 2%.

Should AHPs and Care workers not get a significant pay rise too? or perhaps an evening of clapping?

The causes of inflation are supply chain, Covid, China, war in Ukraine... NOT pay rises.

As for "Greedy" rail workers... absolutely correct... CEO of First Group was paid £735,000 last year, his last pay rise was 7% in 2019, inflation was 2%.. so you are spot on, very greedy.

Yes please. Want to see the facts about this country being full.

Someone start a new thread quick, I don't wanna miss it

I am still waiting for an answer on which human rights drawn up by the ECHR people would like to get rid of.

It's pointless attempting to engage in argument with these people, especially those who continue to demand more 'facts' if the facts already made known don't suit. callingoccupants, have you heard of Google? Or even Wikipedia? You'll be able to answer your questions if you utilise them. If you're looking for answers, just keep on googling till you find something you like which agrees with you. You'll love it.

Maybe because being in the middle of a pandemic, which has huge impacted on income and expenditure, you would think more sense would be employed. It's greed. Pure and simple.

It was a typo. Grow up.

What was a typo?

Show me an RMT member who has wallpaper costing £800+ a roll, paid for by 'a friend', and then you can talk about greed. Because we know greed when we see it and there's a prime example or two in Downing St
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"Grow up"

You're cracking me up, i know that 🤣😂

At least I am not a racist tory voter. The poor people fleeing their homes for safety have the right to ask for asylum

Nearly a year on from the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Taliban takeover, one of the Afghan resettlement schemes is nearly-kind-of-almost ready to start taking citizens and workers who helped the UK during the war, and those at most risk from the Taliban (women and girls, and minority groups.)

Afghan resettlement schemes belatedly due to launch

And the UK government info here

Afghan citizens resettlement scheme

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4572252-to-point-out-that-the-pm-tried-to-give-his-mistress-ps100k-public-sector-job?

There's certainly an element of it in the way the conversation around immigration takes place.

I don't think I have ever seen someone argue that we should but a stop to people from places like America, Canada, Germany, Australia, etc migrating to the UK. Similarly I haven't seen any concern expressed by those "concerned with immigration" around foreign students, despite them accounting for around 33% of all immigration into the UK.

No, the concern is almost always directed at people from developing countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia (even though the majority of those from Asia tend to be coming here to do high skilled jobs) and particularly aimed at people fleeing war and persecution (who are asylum seekers and not immigrants).

Agreed @Thebestwaytoscareatory and a lot of that is to do with how immigrants are portrayed (or ignored) in the media.

People don’t know about the student visas accounting for a large percentage of legal migration, as that’s never a headline.

People don’t know that immigrants overall contribute more to the economy than they take out, because that’s never a headline.

They don’t know that asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants because the headlines always declare they are. Even Tory mps on Twitter call them illegal immigrants when they not only know better, but also have a moral responsibility to not mislead people.

Thank you, that makes sense.

@Callingoccupants

Its not a lazy argument of racism, if anything I was trying to be balanced. I’m sure not every single person in support of the Rwanda scheme but then again if this thread is anything to go by…

It really is unconscionable that MP’s are calling asylum seekers ‘illegal immigrants’ totally unacceptable.

Yet again rich country tries to fob off its responsibilities onto poor country. Plus ca change plus la meme chose.

What has been said on this thread that is in any way racist? I've seen a comment, yet again pertaining to white supremacy but hey, let's ignore that.

I don't think I have ever seen someone argue that we should but a stop to people from places like America, Canada, Germany, Australia, etc migrating to the UK. Similarly I haven't seen any concern expressed by those "concerned with immigration" around foreign students, despite them accounting for around 33% of all immigration into the UK.

As an immigrant from one of the countries listed above I can say that it does happen - people complain about immigrants in general and say they'd prefer if it people from my country didn't come here, take jobs/men/houses.

But they are much, much rarer than the 'I don't mean immigrants like you' people, which seems to mean white and anglophone but often when asked 'what do you mean' the people just shuffle their feet uncomfortably.

I quite like it, it makes it really easy to differentiate the racists from the minority who are operating from a point of principle who I actually don't mind their honesty (even if I think I they're wrong.)

I remember greed from Scargill and Kinnock. Did they spend 800 quid a roll on their lavish homes? Shall we talk Two jags Prescott? Quit the crap with always making out its only Tories who blow money. I don't believe the expenses scandal only involved Tory MPs, either.