Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

Whilst there are still British people who can't afford a roof over their heads, food for their children, can't escape run down communities that have had little investment and remain in the poverty/crime or drugs cycle then of course they are going to not be overly supportive of others who come over and get popped in hotels

Those cuts took place long before cross channel immigration became a thing, they take place in areas that have never seen a migrant.

One of the first things the Tories did after 2010 was remove extra funding for those areas more effected by migration and then cut 20,000 from the Police, closing down 100s of 'stations... so much for caring about or being tough on crime eh!
Oh and then slashed drug rehab programs.

But apparently all our probs are down to Syrians coming here.

All Bojo is interested in is power, he will use asylum seekers to hang onto it and we are all too stupid to realise.

We don't have an organised process for housing asylum seekers.

We don't have an organised process for housing people here either. People on the housing list can be expected to wait years and years to get a home.

No that's absolutely not what I'm saying, I didn't once say or allude to the fact that immigrants have caused this. But that I can see why some feel the way they do about it beyond blind ignorance.

Ridiculous, incompetent, disgusting and expensive policy from a ridiculous, disgusting incompetent and wasteful government. I feel like I'm living through a particularly unbelievable episode of The Thick of It.

The EU courts have made a mistake involving themselves and over riding the UK court's decision, now giving the UK Gov will have the perfect excuse to scrap huge swathes of the human rights laws that currently prevent them from dealing with the immigration issue, and over riding the highest court here in the land is terrible, terrible optics.

I am far more worried about the disgusting people traffickers and poor people and children drowning en masse in tiny boats in the channel than I am about this policy. Rwanda is a beautiful country, and I find it quite racist of people to speak badly of such a lovely country with friendly people and a growing industry.
Anyone that does not agree with the policy should be suggesting an alternative solution, because this issue is going to get far far worse once we head in the winter unless we address it. We can not ignore this issue any longer. Many lives are being lost, blighted by human traffickers and can not be allowed to continue.

‘Yep. They will now start cheering on the UK renouncing the ECHR without a thought in their bigoted heads about the serious ramifications of that.’

I’m really worried where all this is going. It’s 2022 but the world seems to have gone backwards.

Don't shoot me down this is genuine question. Why can't they be sent back to France? That is after all a safe country they are coming from France illegally? So why doesn't France have them back?

Why should France (or any other country) have to take people so we don’t have to? Isn’t that just saying “not our problem”

‘The EU courts have made a mistake involving themselves and over riding the UK court's decision, now giving the UK Gov will have the perfect excuse to scrap huge swathes of the human rights laws’

Oh right, so the courts shouldn’t have done their job so as not to fuel the bully’s rage?

If the situations were not so serious, I would feel like I was watching a farce. This government and/or its leader have unequivocally been the worst in the history of the country (if I am wrong, please let me know). Boris bulldozed his way into leadership with lies about 'Brexit being done!' ; we had one of the worst records of deaths through Covid in Europe (and many of these deaths were preventable); the whole Partygate thing shows the government has no respect for the law; Boris has made a public stand to support the Ukraine, but there is little in place to help refugees from Ukraine to get to the UK should they wish to do so, and now we are flying refugees/economic migrants or whatever the media wishes to call them, to a country which despite its beauty, has a bloody history and a poor record in human rights.

This 'solution' to the cross-channel illegal immigration problem is another badly thought out grand gesture that at the very least, will make us the laughing stock of the world.

@Sirzy why should we have to then ???

Pre brexit we did, but we are now outside of that treaty now.

The EU courts have made a mistake involving themselves and over riding the UK court's decision

How many times do people have to be told? The European Court of Human Rights was set up in 1959. It's not an "EU court", it predates the EU and was created out of the Council of Europe which was set up in London in 1949 after the 2nd World war to protect human rights, democracy & the rule of law.

Why should we have to help people who are fearing for their life? You really need to ask?

@Sirzy why can't France help people fleeing ??

They do.

So if you had an Uncle here and spoke English, you would want to be shipped off to Rwanda, would you? Ties to this country mean nothing?

Rwanda might be 'a beautiful country' but it has a terrible history of genocide in the late 90s, 800,000 slaughtered, and even Human Rights Watch now has documented abuses such as arbitrary detention, torture and repression of free speech.

1,000 Libyans have been sent to Rwanda in the last 3 years, and the migrants have three choices: resettlement elsewhere, voluntary repatriation to their home country, or local integration into Rwandan society. No one has chosen the latter two, that says something.

I guess the UK will be withdrawing now for sure Ifailed. And given it is based in Strasburg covering all 47 countries in Europe - that is why people are referring to it as an EU court as it covers Europe, as that is what it is. A last stop for those contesting breaches of their human rights on the continent.

Indeed the UK was a founding member, and much of the laws we see enshrined in the ECHR were taken directly from British law and statutes.

Without question I expect the UK will amend and make the legal changes needed, and the policy will continue regardless.

@Freerangechildren These are NOT EU courts

Set up after WW2 to try and stop the abuses by Nazi Germany, the UK being a principal founder.

To suggest they shouldn't act because it might upset Boris Johnson or the readers of the Daily Mail is absurd.

None of what the UK is doing will stop or even limit people traffickers, we are out of europol, have nothing to do with european border control and do little to stop at source.

Coop with Europe is the only way to stop cross border trafficking but that doesn't win votes.

They can and do but as you have beern told many times on this thread, people can claim asylum in any country they want.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Asylum-in-Europe-May-2020.pdf Data is from 2019 but it shows that many more first claims where made in France than the Uk

Because we left the EU, so the convention that allowed us to do this, is no longer available to us.

Not that I think we should. France is already taking more than their share. If geography was different and these people got to the UK before heading to France, would you be saying that we should keep them all, so that France didn't have to have any of them?

I hardly think it is very fair to judge and tar a country for its past which was decades ago and say it is still unfit now. That is very very unfair and offensive. Rwanda has worked hard to overhaul its laws, human rights etc since then.

Every country has 'a history' of some kind or another, we are certainly not perfect here I remind you roussette invading Iraq etc. So I think you should look closer to home before running down an African country that is reforming in such a positive way.

Coop with Europe is the only way to stop cross border trafficking but that doesn't win votes

I think you will find cooperation with Europe simply did not work, at all. Which is why so many people voted for brexit in the first place.

@saraclara "France is already taking more than their share.".

Do you see asylum seekers as an asset or a burden on a country?