Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

What a reach. Food is reared in disgusting conditions, it must be the fault of asylum seekers.

The Government has stripped this country to the bare bones on public spending, all the fault of asylum seekers.
Too many people in the world, it's the fault of asylum seekers.

No it’s not a gotcha. It’s a question. If I’m directed to learn about being “duped” by someone who has fallen for the biggest dupe of all…

All are vile but we do not seek to tar all Irish people or young white men with those crimes. Why do it for the others?

There was a huge amount of bigotry towards the Irish during the troubles. Bigotry just moves on to other victims.

The legal objections to the policy were aired as soon as it was announced. The logical thing to do was to wait till the main challenge had been heard, but the government didn't want to do that because they were desperate to get started before the by-elections, so on their own admission they have wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds of our money. Unfortunately you have fallen right into their trap.

No it’s not a gotcha. It’s a question. If I’m directed to learn about being “duped” by someone who has fallen for the biggest dupe of all…

So someone you disagree with on one subject can't ever offer anything useful or informative on any other subject, ever? What an oddly blinkered way to go through life.

Having read the full thread, I haven't seen one sensible objection from you or anyone else to the alternative of safe passage coupled with an efficient asylum processing system. If we can do it for refugees from two countries, we can do it for others.

How do you choose who comes over?

There must be more than the thousands coming from Afghanistan who are in terrible life threatening situations, can they apply or is it by invitation to come with strict criteria?

What criteria would you put in place elsewhere with similar numbers suffering?

Who exactly has said that? It's terribly revealing how proponents of this policy keep making up total fiction about what opponents are saying, apparently because they can't produce sensible arguments against what they have actually said.

This isn't about open borders. This is about the Rwanda proposal. It's not an either/or.

We don't have a housing crisis other than in the bigger cities. HTH.

No, I suppose my point is, there are parallels between the two arguments.
Vehemently defending one vulnerable group’s rights to the detriment of another vulnerable group. Then if any one argues against they have their intellect and moral fibre questioned.
TERF- bigot- mouth breather
I just think it’s a an interesting similarity

@AmaryIlis
“We don't have a housing crisis other than in the bigger cities. HTH.”

Thats not true. The housing crisis is affecting everywhere. It is hitting hard in the bigger cities, but it is also hitting hard in rural areas popular for holiday homes/second homes like Devon, Kent, Cornwall, Somerset, Norfolk/Suffolk coats, Scottish Islands, etc. What’s happening there is that many LLs are converting long term rentals into holiday lets/AirBnBs. Also London money has driven house prices so high that locals cannot afford to buy. The combination of the two has created a perfect storm of local families unable to buy and there being no rentals either.

If you write off something on topic A because you disagree with someone on topic B, you are a fool.

The point being made in the TikTok- not by Godley themselves, just shared by Godley - about social capital is very relevant.

You come across as a person with a closed mind with your kneejerk rejection.

No, that's not right. Russia was suspended in March but Lobov is still a sitting judge. He's due to stand down in September.

These facts are vital.

I both do and don't understand why people who want the UK to be better keep voting for people who are clearly making it worse.

The Tories hate Britain and hate British people - what other explanation is there for what they are doing to us all, and to Britan's NHS, police, courts, parliament, schools, our farmers, our fishing community, Northern Ireland?

We don't have a housing crisis other than in the bigger cities. HTH.

No big cities round where I live and there are houses going up everywhere that are snapped up before they're even built. A definite housing shortage here. So I think you're talking out of your hat. HTH you.

Add to the fact that the ECHR is in breach by making the ruling in the first place as the ECHR does not have jurisdiction, it is a breach of article 35 that bars the ECHR from intervening in ongoing domestic UK legal action.

You've been reading the right-wing press again, @Freerangechildren - you need to learn not to believe everything they tell you.

In the specific cases relating to this flight, there was no ongoing domestic UK legal action. They had exhausted all domestic legal remedies.

If the decision was as unlawful as you make out, why do you imagine the UK complied with it?

Ukraine and Afghanistan are specific schemes tailored to each situation, one ys targeted and other other has public support to the extent many take refugees into their uomrs

How do people see the other schemes working in practise?

For eg Iraq and Iran is it women and children, how many, and do men who want to come still use boats?

Marsha provide safe routes for all and asses each case individually.

If people meet te requirements they are granted asylum, if not they get sent back or maybe they can be offered to go to Rwanda instead.

So bring people over from various countries - I’m assuming those that currently use boats - and assess them in the U.K. do you mean?

Who gets to travel and how many people would want to do this?

Yes, I mean anyone seeking asylum regardless their country of origin and yes assess them in the UK. Ofcourse, if the UK can agree with France to process them there that would be another option.

Safe routes instead of dinghy crossings

This is my opinion ofcourse

Just got back from holiday and interested to see that, exactly as expected, the much-heralded flight hasn't gone ahead and now the whole thing's bogged down with the lawyers

So once again that's millions lost on a headline-grabber over something that was never going to happen - quelle surprise

We have a housing crisis because the Tories engineered one - starting with Thatcher.
We have a renting crisis because many Tory MPs are landlords, so mustn't be made to ensure their housing stock is fit for human habitation.
We have an NHS crisis because the Tories want it that way.
We have a school places crisis because the Tories are wedded to their version of the academies plan - student numbers were always known.
We have a refugee problem because nobody wants to put sensible measures in place (many already suggested by others).

The UK does not take loads and loads of asylum seekers: this from the government itself In 2020, there were around 6 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 11 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. When compared with EU countries, the UK ranked 14th out of the individual countries in terms of the number of asylum applications per capita.

Why don't the people on this thread who go on and on about us being overwhelmed and how it can't be done just look in the mirror and accept themselves for what they are?

Ok so I assume people make it to the French border for a boat passage rather than from own country? Or maybe it is in each separate country eg set up in Syria, Iraq, Iran etc

I’m wondering how much bigger the camps in Calais would be if at border and how much in resources to process each day would be - what scale are people envisaging over time?

Why don't the people on this thread who go on and on about us being overwhelmed and how it can't be done just look in the mirror and accept themselves for what they are?

Which is...?