Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

People who don't want refugees at any cost and are unwilling to accept any of the solutions suggested upthread because 'we're full'.

The goverment just issued an extra 10,000 visas for farm workers. Granted they will be temporary and the workers are housed in caravans on site but it shows a need for more labour.

A bit like how brexit forced the civil service to massively expand, then the government who gave us brexit complained about a big civil service.

It's genius really: create a problem then try to score political points for fixing the problem. Just keep going through that cycle forever.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rwanda-flight-refugees-deportation-migrant-b2102064.html

Article is behind paywall, this thread summarises it

twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1537373828145463296?t=0nkLVHvPoa2Alg-14ECMkw&s=19

Forced to the floor of the plane, his head held down, Zoran was told he would be taken to Rwanda no matter what.

A must-read on how Priti Patel's Home Office treats asylum seekers in this country. 1/

solutions suggested upthread

I don’t mind solutions but numbers are small now and I wonder what surge in numbers pp predict if we implement them

And how would that be dealt with

Shush now, we are all supposed to pretend you can grow an economy with an ageing population, dwindling birth rate and zero immigration!

That’s incorrect.^ Where did you get this random figure?

I didn’t say ‘asylum seekers’, I said humans. There are too many of us- the end.
No one has explained why having reached a safe country you then get on your rubber dinghy and risk death to get to the U.K.

Do you see the Rwanda process as being any different to the Australian process @MarshaBradyo ? (I feel sure I recollect you are from Australia but now live in the UK? But I do muddle posters up so apologies if not you)

@Suzi888 That question has been answered multiple times in this thread although I appreciate there is a lot to get through here!

This article (written by an expert on immigration law) is long but covers a lot, so you may find it useful.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

@Bingbangbongbash My life is not bad.

Agree with conditions for farm animals, but that is the fault of the consumer demanding a never ending supply of cheap meat. Nothing to do with refugees.- I never said refugees, I said humans.

What, nobody can see a GP or a dentist. Hyperbole. - Not really. Can’t make an appointment as can’t get through. Yes blah de blah, blah, blah policy etc. Yes that’s the reason. Nothing to do with there being too many bloody people. They are overworked - because there are too many people.
There are many issues, partly caused by dentists not wanting to work NHS contracts along with the fact that they and GPs are leaving the profession in droves. That is not the fault of refugees- I never said it was. I said there are-

Too
Many
Humans

The World can’t cope with the demand humans are putting on it.

It's been answered many times on this thread. Stop expecting everyone to do your homework for you.

One reason is because we used to be a really top-drawer country. We have historic links to many areas of the globe and are traditionally seen as a beacon of economic strength, democracy, good values, rewarding hard work.

This is one of the tensions we have now - to be less appealing as a country we have to be shitter. We are becoming shitter - but it doesn't feel great!

Germany has been more pragmatic - they took so many refugees because they identified they wanted their economy to grow, in order to make their country richer. The UK is engaged in a long process of fucking up our economy, starting with Brexit and continuing with policies that will make us all poorer, but we are in a bind because this government can hardly hold up its hands and say 'sorry plebs, we just lied for votes!' can they?

UK desperately needs to rethink, we are in a death spiral now. It is never terminal, but this government has lied about immigration for so long, they simply can not stop now.

I think most people accept controlled immigration is necessary and where the UK sets what skills are required. However, if you live in an area which is more likely to be a destination for immigrants, that puts pressure on your local services and jobs. And like it or not, people will feel stressed and scared. Mocking people or insulting people for feeling like that really doesn't help the situation. If anything, it just makes them double down on their ill feelings.

You can not say there are too many humans unless you are willing to be at the front of the queue for the cull.

Are you happy to be first to sacrifice yourself? Doubt it.

So you don't really believe that there are too many.

I honestly don't care if people who are foolish enough to 'double down' do that.

I am not responsible for other people being ignorant of facts. They are being played like fools.

@LetitiaLeghorn I got the info re Lobov from here

interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/76930/

It does say his activity was suspended back in March, but this may not be the case now I suppose ?

I agree with previous poster - those who are handwringing and wailing over this Rwanda idea never ask why those coming here illegally, and claim rightly or wrongly to be victims of war, persecution etc, are not claiming asylum in the first safe country they reach. Also never asking why they are mostly young men - if fleeing war are they leaving women and children behind?
And to those saying it is not illegal - most of us cannot just cherry pick which country we would prefer to live in - if I chuck my passport and try to go and live in Switzerland, Canada, or anywhere else I might consider better than my own country, would they let me in and take care of me? No they would not, because I would be flouting its rules and immigration laws. I would no doubt be swiftly removed. I do not understand how a GENUINE asylum seeker, fleeing war, can object to being sent to another country where his claim will be processed and he will be provided with housing, healthcare, legal help, and so on.

I’ll take a look - thanks @BewareTheLibrarians

@carefullycourageous of course not 😂 but I think it’s a valid point. And that’s ok. I’m allowed.

@SleeplessInEngland I do expect it.

@Suzi888 Are you really bit picking over 85p? Asylum seekers get £40.85; £40 is hardly a random amount now is it?

The Aus process to me looks very tough, the conditions are extreme if you look at images and people become stuck for years. Iirc Nauru agreed to do this as an island it became impoverished and Aus funding is a key source of income. I’ve been in U.K. over twenty years so I should add I’ve been away for about as long as it’s been running but had read around a bit.

I haven’t been to Rwanda so I’m not sure about cultural barriers but imo a difference is the ability to work and be within the overall system, that is denied in Aus. The places are incredibly isolated and separate and cause huge issues for the people there.

I know people have concerns about safety in Rwanda, which I can see might be legitimate but I don’t know enough.

Also it was interesting to me that’s it’s become bi-partisan in Aus, there is criticism from many quarters but parties to the left don’t appear to run on changing the system

@LetitiaLeghorn I agree with a lot of that. I think I posted upthread yesterday that the burden these current policies place on the South East, particularly Kent are unsustainable. The government must know this and I’m baffled that there’s no political will to integrate asylum seekers into different parts of the country, or ramp up resettlement schemes and safe routes to reduce the boat crossing and stop the burden falling on Kent.

Despite committing to increased resettlement schemes back in 2020 (iirc), in the new nationality and borders bill there is zero mention of any resettlement schemes.

So I guess they’ve chosen Kent as their sacrificial lamb?

@SunnyDayHeyfeverHell what? 85p
Literally have no idea where you are getting those figures.
They get a lot more than £40.85 I can assure you.