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So sick of walking on eggshells but can't deal with the fall-out if I don't. Advice please!

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DWofMN · 09/06/2022 11:43

I'm using DH's account, I'm not a MNer so please forgive me if I mess up the terminology - and apologies that this is long.

DH posted recently about an issue I'm having with my family and the general advice was either to go NC or to stand up to them - I don't feel like I can do either because DM has a temper but I love her dearly and treasure her in my life. She's an amazing GP to DS.

There are a few incidents playing on my mind and I don't know how to handle them:

DH and I are moving house to a new location, just over two hours from where we live. DM messaged me a couple of weeks ago to say that DSis was going on holiday to "nearby" the new house and, because DSis wanted to do an "adult only" activity with her DH, they had asked DM to come along and babysit DN. DM suggested we take this opportunity to show her our new house (I don't see why she needs to see it tbh) and I said I'd speak to the agent. The agent said it basically depends how busy they are - the owners won't allow us to just have free access to the house (it's vacant) which is fair enough so the agent said he'd do a viewing for DM if he has a slot available on the day but that he'd be prioritising people viewing properties who are actually going to purchase them (which is also fair enough). It also tied in well because I'm in my third trimester now and DSis still has my 0+ baby seat from when DN was little - and I need it back. So, I could tie in getting that back from her, I asked her to take it with her so I could get it back and she said she would. I've been anxious to get it back because DSis isn't the most reliable and I'm worried it'll be broken or missing parts and I need to know ASAP because it's part of our whole travel system.

On the day, the agent said that, unfortunately, he's fully booked up and there's no way he can do a viewing of the house for DM but that the vendors have said they have no problem with us going onto the property to look at the gardens and things - and we could also show DM the local area. I relayed this to DM, who was annoyed but ok, and I suggested we do an activity that's right next to the house that DS and DN would enjoy - DM agreed and we said what our ETA was and I sent a link and Google Maps location for the activity. When we arrived, about two hours later, there was no sign of DM and a few minutes later, DH got a text from DM that said "that's too far away..." (even though it's right next to the house she wanted to go and see) so DH replied asking her what she'd like to do. She replied "well, you could suggest somewhere closer for a start" - we don't know where she even is, all she's said to us is that she's staying "nearby the new house" (which was the entire reason she wanted us to book the viewing). She sent us her location, which was almost an hour away (and, by this point, we'd left the house three hours earlier, with a toddler and me being sick the whole time). DH drove the extra hour down and we met DM, DF and DN. DM was in a bad mood the whole time and told us she couldn't stay long (we met at a pub) because they needed to check out by 4pm (it was now gone 2pm) which I thought was odd because they were staying with DSis on her holiday so didn't need to "check out" but whatever. So, at 3.30pm DM went to the bathroom, I checked the time and said to DF we'd better head off to check out - at which point he said there's no rush because there's no check-out time. He said that just as DM reappeared, and she then had a big strop because she'd clearly been caught in a lie and just didn't want to spend any time with me. DF then wanted DH to help with lifting luggage so we went back to their accommodation to help, DSis came back at that point and said that she hadn't brought the car seat because she couldn't fit it in the car... So, I'd spent a day of my bank holiday driving for almost 8 hours to sit with my mum for 2 hours whilst she sulked, have DH sent rude text messages and not get my car seat back! It feels like I did nothing but try to appease her (by trying to get the viewing, by driving the extra hour to her, by pretending to accept she never said they had to check-out, by DH helping them pack, by not responding in kind to her rude messages etc) and all I got in return was her showing that she doesn't care at all.

DS has a birthday coming up and, because people insist on buying huge plastic toys that we have no space for despite us asking multiple times for them not to, we made an online list of gifts we think DS would like that are either activities or very small (a range of prices and no pressure to get anything). The online list is like a wedding gift registry where people say what they've bought so you don't end up with duplicates. For previous birthdays/Christmases, people have asked us for gift ideas and, regardless of what we suggest and even when we say "anything that isn't huge because we have no space", certain relatives insist on purchasing the biggest imaginable toys. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. One of DS's relatives purchased an activity gift from the list to take him to do. The next day, I got an irate message from DM asking why it's no longer available because she wanted to do that one. I asked around and found out, but explained to DM that DS would definitely enjoy doing the activity more than once so she can do it too if she likes - but she said no, she didn't want to do what someone else was doing. So, I had to ask the relative to give that up so DM could do it. Then, on a video call to DM later that day, DS showed her his new toy that he loves that he'd seen whilst we were out shopping (a small toy about £7). DM then got upset because she'd bought him the exact same toy for his birthday (how were we supposed to know that?) and couldn't return it because she'd bought it many months ago. I resolved that by saying we could return the one she has (still in packaging) as if it's the one we bought (they're identical and bought from the same store) and that DS can have the one he currently has a birthday gift from her - so she eventually, and grumpily, accepted that solution.

Then, last night, DM sent a link to our group chat to a holiday home booked for 2 days after my due date this summer. It's five hours drive from where I live, and mine and DH's share would be almost £1000 just for the house. The message accompanying the link said it was so that we could now go on the holiday. DM has been trying to book a family holiday abroad but we pointed out that we couldn't get a passport for the baby (and obviously can't leave a baby that's a day old with a sitter or anything) so obviously we couldn't go - so that was cancelled, with a lot of stropping and angst directed at me. DBro hasn't spoken to me since that was cancelled and DSis has only spoken to confirm she'd bring the car seat and then, when I saw him, to say she hadn't brought it. DSis then responded to the group chat with a pointed and sulky message about "oh, so this is instead of going somewhere nice abroad then?". I feel like I've ruined everyone else's summer holiday plans because I wouldn't go abroad so I feel like I have to agree with this holiday in the UK. But, in truth, we can't afford to pay thousands for a holiday right now and I don't want to book something for two days after the baby is due! I didn't reply in the group chat because I didn't know what to say so then I got a message late last night from DM saying that she's going to phone me today to "nail down my plans for July and August". I can't "nail down my plans" - the baby could come at almost any point in July/August (due date is the very start of August), so my only plan is to be prepared for that.

I feel like the stress of appeasing her is just too much - but it's so much less stress than either confronting her or ignoring her. So, there's no option which isn't stressful. I'm so ill, I have HG and I'm over a stone lighter than my booking-in weight and my weight is going down again. I just want to curl up in a ball, ignore everybody and cry - but that won't resolve the issue. She's going to phone me and I just don't know what to say, I don't even want to answer.

What do I do? I think I just needed to write all of that out.

OP posts:
WallaceinAnderland · 09/06/2022 11:53

Could you do a short synopsis of the actual problem as a lot of that is irrelevant. If you are not willing to deal with fall out, what do you expect anyone to advise you to do? If you don't change your behaviour, nothing will change.

MojoMoon · 09/06/2022 11:54

In what way is she an amazing grandmother when she is rude to both the father and mother of the grandchild, sulks and makes them stressed and unwell?

Just cut back contact.

What is your child going to think when they start to understand how rude and unpleasant your mother is to his parents? Is your child also going to grow up having to walk on eggshells not to upset her?

Don't sentimentalise the grandparent relationship.

Don't go on the holiday.

Don't go out of your way to appease her on things. You should have calmly just said it was not possible to see them since they failed to show up as planned and gone and had a nice day.

ShirleyPhallus · 09/06/2022 11:54

They’re treating you like a mug and you’re letting them. Absolutely zero chance would I be facilitating mother looking around houses I was buying, believing lies about checkout, driving further hours from what was agreed etc etc. I would 100% not even be entertaining a discussion about going on holiday so close to my due date.

You need to put stronger boundaries in place and keep repeating “that doesn’t work for me”.

MojoMoon · 09/06/2022 11:54

You cannot change her, you can only change your response to her bad behaviour

billyt · 09/06/2022 11:58

Keeping it simple.

Fuck.that!

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 09/06/2022 11:59

I'm with the advice on the previous thread. Your family are being horrible to you and don't seem to like you very much.

If you're not able to actually stand up for yourself with them, then at least distance yourself from them

purpleboy · 09/06/2022 12:01

It just sounds like one constant drama.
They are clearly taking advantage of you and you are clearly allowing them too.
If she wanted to purchase the gift she should have done it quicker, you don't need to be running around getting others to change gifts to appease her.
You can't afford the holiday and probably won't want to go so just say so, your having a baby there a million reasonable reasons why you can't go.
You told her where the activity was, she decided at the last minute it was too far, you reply that's a shame she could have told you earlier so you didn't waste your time and we will see you next time your up here.

She is clearly toxic but you are 100% allowing this behavior to continue.
Find your backbone and put some boundaries in place, you are a grown woman and can say no when people are messing you around.

Mamamia7962 · 09/06/2022 12:01

This sounds a nightmare but until you start standing up for yourself nothing is going to change. You need to start putting yourself and your own husband and children first. There's no point saying that you can go on the holiday when it's so close to your due date. I bet they wouldn't give you your money back if you were unable to go, they want your contribution so it's cheaper for them.

This is your life OP and only you can change it to how you want it to be. You can't change how your mum is or anyone else, but you can change how you react and how much you are going to allow yourself to be controlled by them.

PurpleChairs · 09/06/2022 12:05

Something along the lines of 'no I can't book a holiday so close to my due date' and 'please go ahead without us'. Followed by 'do not make any plans that include me and DH as we will have a newborn'.

Kellykukoo · 09/06/2022 12:06

OP you need to stand up for yourself. You can control only your own behaviour. If you continue to let yourself feel compelled to jump through hoops for your family, that's what your reality will continue to be. Only you can change it. There's no reason to carry on being such a doormat.

Quartz2208 · 09/06/2022 12:07

I think I remember your DH posts - and I think you are going to have to go NC with her. I really do think you just need to block and move on.

catandcoffee · 09/06/2022 12:09

you are caught up in the F O G. Fear obligation guilt. Look it up.
Your husband is a Saint to put up with your family.

PurpleChairs · 09/06/2022 12:10

Definitely learn to say no. She has no right to view your House before you have completed on the sale.

You don't have to travel hours to meet her if you don't want to.

Be clear that you need your car seat back... how is your Dsis going to return it or will you collect it? When? 'Tomorrow is ok with me', I will meet you at 10am. etc

Aprilx · 09/06/2022 12:10

Just take a step back. Don’t agree to family holidays. This is very easy to resolve.

TheWernethWife · 09/06/2022 12:11

Tell them all to fuck off, buy another car seat as it seems that the original one is being held hostage until you do exactly what they want.

Go NC/LC and you may benefit from the peace and quiet.

Soubriquet · 09/06/2022 12:11

I think I agree with your dh and go very low contact

She does not sound like a nice person. Anyone would realise you can’t do anything July/August because it’s your due date. Your mother seems to think you must do everything to appease her and nothing for yourself

Newforumnewname · 09/06/2022 12:12

This is MAD. How have things come to this? You even explained in your OP that you couldn’t leave a day old baby with a sitter, that’s how used you are to explaining and justifying the simplest things. I feel so so upset for you. I have no idea why your DH is letting this go on either.
It’s not normal and it’s not OK to structure your lives around other people to such an extent. You must find the strength to stop, today.
Don’t answer the phone to your mum today, send a group message saying of course you won’t be going on holiday this summer so please go ahead without you
Have a proper sit down chat with your DH about how you feel and the support and help you need to be a united front
Get some counselling
Apply some critical thinking skills to the requests and demands from your family - is this reasonable? Why do I feel I have to go along with this? Is it because I can reasonably be expected to or because I’ve been conditioned into saying yes to everything these people ask me?
Sending you lots of love and strength

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 09/06/2022 12:13

I love her dearly and treasure her in my life

Ok, I get you love her - whilst sits not obligatory, she is your mother - but what exactly is it that you 'treasure' about her? The way she comforts you? Is understanding towards you? Puts your needs first?
You really need to work out if what she brings to your life is worth putting up with her bad childish behaviour.
Marie Kondo the shit out of her - hell, out of them all, they're horrid.

MercurialMonday · 09/06/2022 12:14

Toxic parents book
Book: Games people play

Say no and mean it - have stock phrase on repeat - That doesns't work for us/me.

Don't over explain or see approval that gives gaps people try and get pound - just say that's not happening.

I stepped back from gift idea as they were frequently ignored - I don't know whatever you think best - and big presents I stopped reacting - and they stopped being give. If they are too big - get rid of them - after saying thankyou.

Ignore stuff - you don't know Aug plans as you're having a baby - so don't respond - change subject make none commital replies or if plans are made witghour your input that doesn't work for us.

You can't sort out looking round a hosue you don't own yet- they can look on-line at photos - and wait to be invited. The amount of effort you went to there was insane.

Stop saying how high when they say jump - put some boundaries in.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 09/06/2022 12:14

YABU You're way too involved with your mother and siblings. You need to create a chasm of distance between you.and them.

Sharrowgirl · 09/06/2022 12:15

You’re only going to get the same responses here as your DH got on his. Because it’s the only answer.

Theres no magic wand that’s going to change how your mum is.

MercurialMonday · 09/06/2022 12:16

buy another car seat as it seems that the original one is being held hostage until you do exactly what they want.

And in future don't lend stuff - have a reason not to - even not being able to find it or something.

nightshade · 09/06/2022 12:17

Sounds like you have way too much involvement with your family....couldn't think of anything worse than going on holiday with mine!

Just as well you are moving two hours away!😁

CruCru · 09/06/2022 12:18

Honestly? I know they're expensive but buy a new car seat. They are holding you hostage because you want the car seat back.

Then cut right back on contact. Only a loon would strop about someone not being able to go on holiday when they're due to give birth.

Spidey66 · 09/06/2022 12:18

She sounds like hard work!

I don't have kids, and even I know that booking a holiday so close to someone's due date is a no-no, the baby maybe delayed or the birth could be so difficult you need to time to recover. Who wants their whole family on top of each other at that time anyway? Surely you'd just want you, your husband, your first child and the new baby with perhaps grandparents in small measured doses?

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